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  1. Officerhoppy says:

    Glad to be part of your sanctification. Being a pain in the KJV donkey is my spiritual gift!! Haha

  2. Michael says:

    Officerhoppy,

    We have both been Gods sandpaper for the other…hopefully to both of our good…

  3. Duane Arnold says:

    We confess that we believe in the communion of saints, which should, it would seem, lead to community. The fact that this is no longer the case should trouble us. The verb form of “communio” in Latin can mean either to “strengthen” (as in communion, fellowship, etc.) or to “barricade”. It seems that much of the church has decided to make use of the latter definition…

  4. Michael says:

    “The verb form of “communio” in Latin can mean either to “strengthen” (as in communion, fellowship, etc.) or to “barricade”.”

    I did not know that…and we have chosen the wrong definition…

  5. bob1 says:

    Seems to me that if your definition of communion of saints revolves around “barricade,” something really big is missing.

  6. LInn says:

    i attend a local church, and many of the people are my neighbors (even in my city of almost 1,000,000). At the same time, I appreciate the larger online community in which I participate, many of them friends for many years who no longer live in my geographic area. I guess what I am trying to say is that community is what we make of it. Somewhere there is a line between getting overly involved in everyone’s drama and being empathetic enough to post a word of encouragement when times are tough.

  7. LInn says:

    #7 and 8 deserved their own post. I am constantly being challenged in my school as to how to deal with the “brave, new world” of sexual crazy-pronouns, invent your own gender..thankfully no one has mentioned a drag queen story hour yet. Most of our parents are quite conservative, so I also wonder when the parent revolt will begin. I tread prayerfully and carefully as it’s not the fault of the children as it is our crazy society. Sigh.

  8. Michael says:

    Linn,

    I may ask Duane to address that topic in our next “conversation”…

  9. Dread says:

    Most of the so-called christian nationalists and even the real ones are not advocating violence to stop the coerced trans grooming of our kids. They want actual policy change.

    No bail required.

    My sentiments are with you but my advocacy is with them.

  10. Michael says:

    Dread,

    The question before the house is two fold…how prevalent is this indoctrination and how many support or oppose it?

    As I’ve previously noted, we just got out of the biggest online high school in the country and there was none of it.

    My guess is that where it does happen there may be majority support in the community for this “inclusiveness”.

    If anything, this makes a case for separation between church and state physically and in the institutions we create and support.

    I loathe this teaching on sexuality far more than I express here…but have yet to see a viable solution from like minded folks that isn’t as extreme and isn’t doomed to failure in the long run.

  11. Duane Arnold says:

    Michael,

    I am afraid that in terms of sexuality we are “punching at shadows”. What I mean by this is that we do not understand the cultures and subcultures involved. What we see and hear are the activists. What we don’t understand is the culture of parents who are trying to understand what their children are saying, just as we don’t understand the culture of prepubescent teens who are receiving all sorts of messages from a wide variety of sources. This is not an easy fix. As we were growing up, we were presented with a narrow range of sexuality. This is no longer the case. Media and culture serve up a Baskins and Robbins 32 varieties from which to pick and choose. Looking through a recent Wall Street Journal Magazine on fashion, the obvious theme was androgyny. I might remind readers that the Wall Street Journal is not known for left-wing activism. It’s the culture…

    It might be well to revisit Richard Niebuhr’s book on Christ and Culture. In any case, until we clean up our own house, we will have little success as cultural critics…

  12. steve says:

    Michael, I do have a daughter that just started first grade. So #7 is near and dear to me. Number 6 is troublesome and unfortunately I live in a state of PA where I might just have to vote for a Christian nationalist in hopes to stop the insanity of the grooming.

  13. Em says:

    Long ago I recall hearing that Russia (Soviet Union) would infiltrate our schools, our media and our politicians in order to defeat us…….. Hmmmm. 🤔

  14. Nathan Priddis says:

    Em. They did, just not as predicted. Evangelical leaders became enamored with a Russian kleptocracy. They became useful idiots.

  15. Em says:

    Evangelical leaders = useful idiots? …. Hmmm mmm. 🤔

  16. filistine says:

    today I saw the so-called christian ‘fish’ sign on a car with red, white, and blue stars/stripes inside the outline…guarantee the driver couldn’t define Christian Nationalism, but promotes it nonetheless…

    have had a number of students in my smallish/ruralish school who self-identified as trans or something of the sort. I don’t address them by their pronouns but their proper nouns–their names. I greet them with real interest and care and try to love them despite their confusion and struggle. It isn’t easy as I’m an old fart, but it’s also interesting to see them as they move through their schooling moderating–moving toward the middle, seeing themselves in a more balanced light & not attempting to stake out radical ground. It is a difficult deal–but the trans doesn’t move one toward the other gender, but toward a non-gender persona, not a hybrid, but something “non.” I think many parents are at a loss–but the biggest influencers are the voices from the internet.

    “evangelical leader” an oxymoron? Sorry. I’m harsh sometimes.

  17. Reuben says:

    I have said this here before, and Duane eluded to it a bit.

    I know and love many different “identities” and sexual preferenced people. None of them fit the mold Christians seem to project on them. None. None of them are interested in forcing these lifestyles, in fact they just want to be loved and accepted like everyone straight.

    Like Duane said, you see and hear a very small minority of activists that I guarantee most do not support at all, regardless of sexual or gender preferences.

    I say with no apologies that this is a fear based propaganda inflicted on Christians to force them to vote Right “before their children are turned gay”, or some such nonsense.

    I have a high school aged son. He has developed opinions. His opinions are often developing based on who he associates with. His opinions are often swayed by his enormous popularity in school and sports (a problem I never had at his age). He has a trans friend who I know for a fact has always been the gender they identify with rather than their north gender. This was evident to everyone long before they were “capable of making that decision”. They have been friends since elementary school.

    I have also said here before that I have blood family who are gay/bisexual. Never once have I seen a forced attitude. It’s not even a discussion. I have listened to two political commentators who are wildly popular amongst “progressives”. NEVER ONCE have I heard them force their gay lifestyle, but rather only advocate for it, the same way someone like Don Lemon would advocate for Black American Equality.

    Christians cling to narrow issues that centralize lifestyle. Christian lifestyle. Exclusively. Legislating that lifestyle is the end goal. Overturning Roe V Wade being a prime example, something that a minority forced on the majority. Some constructors of the bill of rights/constitution are rolling in their graves.

    So if you view this for a moment from the “other side”, you see where the real justified fear is. Christians have made a Great Wall out of a very few loud voices who are actually no more forceful than Christians.

  18. Josh says:

    Right on target, Reuben.

    One thing to keep in mind, most of these same people would rather Don Lemon shut up too.

  19. Reuben says:

    I am listening to a right wing Christian radio show this morning, literally said about 20 minutes ago that Don Lemon is the most divisive news anchor and should be fired from CNN.

    No doubt he has opinions. But it speaks to the fact that freedom of speech applies in the echo chamber, not outside the Christian Right. I really don’t think Christians can see just how loud they are compared to any other voices.

  20. LInn says:

    I find it so interesting when people say so-and-so should be taken off a program, canceled, etc. My simple advice”:

    DON’T WATCH IT/LISTEN TO IT IF YOU DON’T LIKE IT!!!

    I rarely watch Fox News, for example. It doesn’t work for me. I watch CNN sparingly, and I love NPR/BBC. I let other people prefer their own preferences. Part of the problem with both the left and the right is a certain bossiness about what people should watch/listen to. Unless it’s the proverbial guy in the theater shouting “fire”, I think it would be good if we learned to mind our own business. I also think it’s good to sample other media platforms. Vice showed up in my inbox one day. I don’t know why. However, for good reporting from Latin America and the country where I lived for seven years, they are one of the best. I scan it for what looks interesting and often find that one article that gives me a new perspective or information I might not have found anywhere else.

  21. Reuben says:

    BBC and Al Jazeera were real eye openers for me some years ago, Linn. I tuned into CNN recently to see what was happening in Florida. Lemon was just reporting on the hurricane from the scene for a few days. Admittedly, I have no clue why Lemon is the focal point of ire lately. His name comes up on talk radio quite a bit, usually followed by “radical left”, which is funny to me. Surely Rachael Maddow leaves Lemon in the dust on that front, although I would not even consider her “radical left”. I know radical leftists. I am a Communist. I know actual Socialists, and I’m not talking Bernie Bros, or anything of that ilk. Cortez is not radical. That terminology comes from right wing fear based propaganda, and the left has adopted it too. There is no mainstream media that remotely resembles my social/political/economic leanings in American Media. None. I think if you asked fellow “radicals” that are more aligned with my thinking, you would find that the disdain for the left is equal to or greater than the right. They are all capitalists in my view. What pisses me off about Liberals is they hide it, but they are always in bed with it. Socialist-light politicians (which is all I see in America) are not socialist at all. Ask an actual Socialist, Anarchist, or Communist. Shirley Chisholm and Angela Davis were the last of that vein in this nation. You only find them in black and white photos, so to speak.

    Leading up to Trumps election, I saw an awful lot of conflating Liberals and Socialist-light politicians with Communism. Leading up to Biden’s election, I watched the CPUSA endorse Biden on the grounds that it was a movement in the right direction, and I turned in my card. So did tens of thousands of others.

    In trying to tie this back into the topic, Christians have not one clue what “radical” looks like, unless they look at themselves. They have embraced cancel culture whilst condemning it as loud as possible. I still can’t comprehend how that works in someone’s head. Cancel in Right Christian speak is not often individual based, but rather entire cultures. Entire politics. The Left did this and it backfired, however they still attempt it at every turn. Cancel culture is now canceling itself out, which is what Christians have been doing to each other for many more centuries than either American political persuasion. Reminder: the cost in human lives is unparalleled in human history.

    Christians have no clue just how loud they are.

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