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  1. LInn says:

    Michael,
    Thanks for the positive plug for teachers! Most of us don’t have time to groom anyone-we’re too busy planning, triaging, and grading. I do have it better being in a private school that is handling the whole “woke” business very carefully, but I’ve still had blanket statements made about my profession in my presence that I haven’t appreciated. Flip side-just like clergy, there are teachers who prey on students. I don’t know if the volume is as high as with pastors, but we run at least one story a month in our local newspaper about a teacher who went over the line. i think it’s a hazard of “high contact” professions, and those in charge need to be more aware of how, why, and where it happens.

  2. Captain Kevin says:

    “ . My job isn’t to report the bad news about the culture, but to proclaim the Good New about what Jesus Christ has done and is doing…”

    Amen, Michael!

  3. Duane Arnold says:

    Michael

    Good list… In regard to teachers and nurses, you may have missed one of the elements breeding resentment. Most teachers have at least a BA and many have a masters degree. In regard to nurses, it is much the same. Many of those leveling criticism do not. It goes under the category of “no one’s going to tell me what to do”. This has infected the society.

  4. Captain Kevin says:

    Linn: “Most of us don’t have time to groom anyone-we’re too busy planning, triaging, and grading.”

    As a retired school teacher, I can say that’s exactly how it is.

  5. Xenia says:

    Most teachers have at least a BA and many have a masters degree.<<<

    Many from extremely liberal universities, with the ed departments being especially liberal.

    Support the good teachers, who comprise the vast majority. Work to root out the ones who actually are groomers, and they do exist, as I know from first hand knowledge.

  6. Linn says:

    Xenia,
    Tossing around a word like “groomer” has a lot of baggage with it. It’s like tossing out terms like “racist” or misogynist. I understand totally why parents may want to pull their children from public school, but the majority of teachers I know (Christian and non-Christian) just want to make sure that kids learn to read, write and cipher.

  7. Dread says:

    Good teachers now inhabit groomer institutions. Go to the www2.ed.gov and see what the teachers are being groomed to groom.

  8. Xenia says:

    One example: a family friend is a substitute teacher and recently on FB she was jubilantly crowing about her new class assignment and how she was going to tell the elementary kids all about the joys of homosexuality and transgenderism.

    So I agree she’s not the norm, but why is this even allowed? It is absolutely a cause for parental concern, especially if the parent will be accused of “hate” if they remove their child from a class with this type of godless propaganda. How many classrooms had the rainbow flag on display during so-called Gay Pride Month?

    My neighbor is a Chrisitan elementary school teacher, and each year parents try to get their child in her classroom because the other teachers are teaching godless propaganda.

  9. Xenia says:

    I think “groomer” perfectly describes the situation.

  10. Duane Arnold says:

    In my experience of some decades, I tend to agree with Michael and Linn…

    “My experience with teachers is that they usually are people who love their students, prize education, and sacrifice for the sake of their students. People to be admired as a group.”

  11. Officerhoppy says:

    My wife is a teacher. She retired and the Medford School district hired her back. Along with Linn, thanks for the plug for teachers. They have a difficult job in these trying times. The last thing she needs is to hear her pastor rip on her in a sermon.

    I was a pastor—not a very good one—but I never allowed voters pamphlets in my church and never ever talked politics for the same reasons you are implying. The pulpit is not the place for that.

    One prominent pastor in the Portland area told his congregation not to vote for Romney in the last primary simply because he was a Mormon! So, don’t tell me politics isn’t divisive.

    As we all know, a group tried to draw Jesus into a political discussion: Taxes. He said simply, “give to Caesar what is Caesar’s and to God what is God’s”. That was it. “Next question”.

  12. Officerhoppy says:

    X
    That is not true of my wife. Nor of the teachers we associate with.

    Just sayin’

  13. greg says:

    We certainly should not be surprised that our schools are infiltrated with people who want to teach the “joys of homosexuality or transgenderism” We have long ago invited the God of all creation, the God who created a man and a women equally to procreate in a marriage ordained by God, and replaced it with what we think is a better model. We have systematically elected or appointed people whose inclusive world view has largely taken over our educational system at virtually all levels from kindergarten to university. We are simply now living in a time where the fruit of these poor decisions is manifested and in full bloom. It is disappointing but certainly not surprising in anyway. The solution is to return to God’s blueprint.

  14. Xenia says:

    Well, as I said a few times already, I think the “good” teachers comprise the vast majority, but I think as the older ones retire, the younger generation of teachers- those indoctrinated at liberal universities- will make it very difficult for those who refuse the Lie.

  15. Officerhoppy says:

    X
    :-). Thanks

  16. Xenia says:

    I wonder how many of you have spent any time on a University of California campus lately.

  17. greg says:

    The university of Bezerkley??

  18. Xenia says:

    4. Pro life folks who are also opposed to contraception are seriously confused people…<<<

    They are not confused, but probably naïve, or idealistic. They believe sex should be reserved for marriage, with babies as a possibility who are to be welcomed with gladness. This is really how things ought to be (and I know plenty who follow this way of life.) But our culture has changed too much for this to be practical for many people. I would say contraception is the lesser evil. Most couples sleep together before marriage, or delay child-bearing until their thirties, so if that's the situation, I guess contraceptives are going to be used, as they are by the vast majority of folks, married or just "coupled." Better than abortion.

    The Pill made the sexual revolution of the sixties possible and disconnected sex from babies, and has lead to the morass we are living in today. But we live in the times we live in, so I guess contraceptives are going to be used. Better if people waited until marriage and welcomed any children who come, but that's not today's culture.

  19. Officerhoppy says:

    X
    contraception is one of the compromises I would make to save a life of an unborn child.

  20. Dread says:

    Malcolm Muggeridge would point out that the separating of sex from marriage and babies had a triple whammy from penicillin, the pill, and abortion. That is probably a bit more detailed analysis of how the sexual revolution took over. Pregnancy was a salutary hedge to the collapse of sexual morality the other its the collapse of religion.

    But I thought someone who was against abortion and birth control was just a Catholic … Is some other point intended from that?

    Notably the birth rates are falling pretty much all across the Northern Hemisphere. It is not particularly geographic that is just an observation. The common denominator is waning religion. Philip Jenkins chronicles this… I may have mentioned it already… in his book Fertility and Faith 2020 nothing that the less religious a culture becomes the less it reproduces. Thus communism is as infertile as capitalism.

    The changing birth rates portend dramatic changes for the world. However those things seldom turn out as prognosticated. The demographers never believed we would be able to feed a population of 8 billion souls. We don’t really know what will happen.

  21. Xenia says:

    Officer Hoppy, I agree.

  22. LInn says:

    Dread,

    There are very sincere evangelicals who don’t believe in any kind of “artificial” birth control. They believe God sends them whichever children they should have, no matter what the number. This would include folks in the Gothard camp, for example (the Duggars fit this to a T).

  23. Linn says:

    Just a few more thoughts on teachers/education/culture at large:

    The culture is a mess and I will not deny that. However, it’s been a mess for a long time. We can totally retreat from it (which is harder and harder to do. Even the Amish have cell phones and computers to run their businesses nowadays), embrace it, or learn to navigate. My personal choice has been to navigate.

    How do I define navigation? First, my commitment to Christ must be the one that influences every area of my life. That means I need to know the Scriptures well enough to be able to confront various situations. I need to know the Truth (not “my truth”) about God’s purpose for people and His world. At the same time, I need to have a deep love for people and use every opportunity possible to share God’s truth with them.

    Then, there is the application of wisdom, which I consider God’s Word In Action. As I navigate the world in which I live, I show God’s love to people. It doesn’t mean I always need to approve, or should approve, but I can still show love, even as I state a different opinion. I also find there are situations I might need to avoid. I get to choose which conferences I want to attend, for example, so I avoid the “gender bending” one. When we have had a mandatory one at school, I take it as a learning opportunity to understand people better. If I was asked verbally what I thought, I would be kindly truthful (even if that cost me my job). However, I am also very well-educated about my rights as a Christian in my work environment.

    I try to avoid labels in general-groomers, conspiracy theorists, fanatics, Bible thumpers. Once you label someone, you lose sense of their humanity. You also lose the opportunity to engage in a non-confrontational way. I often am asked a question about my beliefs by another staff who is just curious about my thoughts. I’ve had some wonderful opportunities to share the Gospel.

    I love the book of John. Jesus talks to people individually and in small groups. He is sympathetic, kind, sometimes confrontational, but always speaking the truth. He is the Truth, and I want to model my engagement with the world after Him.

  24. greg says:

    Linn,
    This is spot on. Great post

  25. bob1 says:

    Fantastic post, Linn.

  26. Michael says:

    Sorry, I had to leave…dealing with a sick cat.
    I’ll have to leave again soon as I finally found a vet with availability.

    “The solution is to return to God’s blueprint.”

    How do you propose that will happen? Massive revival? End of a barrel?

    What profession has utterly pure people in it?
    Who’s next on the damnation list?

    Do you folks really believe that demonizing everyone we disagree with will bring them to Jesus or do you just think that they can be defeated?

    I haven’t been in a university in a long time…but I’ve been crawling the sewers of Christendom for decades and the university can’t be any worse…

  27. LInn says:

    Michael,

    I hope your cat is well-attended and recovers quickly!

    Thanks for your post. Jesus sent us to share His message with the lost. How do we do that if we don’t go out and engage with them?

  28. Michael says:

    Thanks, Linn.

    The world here stops turning when one of the cats is sick.
    So…if I was an unbeliever and heard from a pulpit that all cat lovers were agents of Satan corrupting the world…good luck with anything else that person had to say…

  29. Xenia says:

    Nobody here said “all” teachers.

  30. greg says:

    Michael,
    Knowing the word of God well…. is key. From there it is being fully surrendered to God, allowing the HS to work in me and through me….to follow His plan to the best of my ability. That is all God asks of me or anyone else who has placed their faith in Him. God will only use those who are available and he will continually bless that obedience. We are living in a world that has walked away from God to a large degree. Same thing happened in the time of the Judges. That did not work out well for them, nor will it for us. This is exactly what Jesus said would happen in the last days. We should not be surprised but energized as we understand that the Lord’s return is near. Linn is right about navigating the times we live….always with the good news whether by word, deed or both. God desires that none perish.. We are His instruments to accomplish that. This is His plan……not mine

  31. Michael says:

    “Nobody here said “all” teachers.”

    Nor did I say “all Christians’…but I heard two sermons yesterday describe good teachers as exceedingly rare and they couldn’t be trusted if they worked in “government” schools….

  32. Dread says:

    I don’t trust government schools… should I?

    No … 1619 Project, Critical Theory, DEI training, Gender Reassignment, Covid mismanagement, Teacher’s Union hegemony, BLM indoctrination, birth control distribution, sex education idiocy, — TRUST them?

    No No No … like I said just go read the Department of Education website.

    The last christian educator that got angry at me for questioning the education system left ‘their’ family to follow ‘their’ identity destiny.

    I have enough Calvinism left in me to trust them to be depraved.

    But I don’t trust much of anything…

  33. Xenia says:

    Michael, Linn, others: You are all being very reasonable. Personally, I think the time for reasonableness has done come and gone.

  34. Michael says:

    “Personally, I think the time for reasonableness has done come and gone.”

    The alternative is?

  35. Michael says:

    Dread,

    I tend not to trust institutions especially with kids.

    I worried more about T being indoctrinated by evangelicals than his teachers…

    Due to my lack of trust, I got to know all his teachers…and I examined the curriculum and the lessons every day.

    Two of his teachers will be people he remembers forever…people who rooted so hard for him that they wept talking about him and who celebrated every small victory.

    The rest did their jobs…but without those two he wouldn’t have made it.

    I will fight for their names and vocations to be honored.

    There is nothing that any teacher has done that I can’t name a pastor who did the same…

  36. Xenia says:

    We can be courageous and protect our children from perverts. allies of perverts, and the government agencies that support perversion.

    We can use real words. We don’t have to smile nervously when someone says something atrocious. We don’t need to yell…. not at first, anyway.

    Take a look at the HHS website.

  37. Dread says:

    Michael

    That is both a reasonable response and approach …

  38. Michael says:

    Yelling will make no difference.

    We live in pluralistic society where all allegedly have freedom of religion and freedom of speech.

    Some perversion as we define it is legal…because the people want it so.

    That…is not going to change.

    The only thing that will change the culture is if we start acting like what we profess…and then we will still be a peculiar, set apart people.

  39. Michael says:

    I’m off to the vet…

  40. Xenia says:

    If I ever found myself helping out in one of my grandchildren’s classrooms, and the teacher starting telling the kids they should decide if they were boys or girls and they need to choose their pronouns and if they want to swap genders the teacher is there to help them, no need to tell the parents their “secret,” you better believe I’ll start yelling.

  41. Xenia says:

    I might even call them a brood of vipers.

  42. bob1 says:

    “Personally, I think the time for reasonableness has done come and gone.”

    Disagree.

    We each make our own choices.

  43. filistine says:

    Teachers are employees of the school district and since the state generally controls the purse strings, they are government employees. Who dictates what curriculum is taught? State level politicians generally, district superintendents and school boards specifically. Who licenses teachers and superintendents? State department of education. Who sets the standards for educators’ training and certification–state dept. of education and to a smaller degree, the Federal Dept. of Ed. These are bureaucracies with a wide range of folks working in them. Who directs them? Our elected representatives, governors, and senators. If one is looking for a point of responsibility–look no further than the individuals we all have elected–from school boards to state & federal representatives. Teachers, and I am one, generally teach what is expected of them, as they are contractually expected to do. I know no teacher who has adopted a wildly liberal /controversial viewpoint and made it a part of their curriculum. I’m sure some exist, but even in Oregon, a bastion of liberal policy, these folks are rare. Parents are every bit as culpable when falling for gender confusion, furries, sexual identities, etc. They are the first line of responsibility to guide their children. If you wish for change, you’ll have to do so at the voting booths. Teachers are an easy target because they are close to the student. Look at who is really pulling the strings.

  44. Officerhoppy says:

    That’s good Fil

  45. Linn says:

    Xenia,

    I’ve never heard of a teacher directly telling students they could choose their own gender. Of course, I work at the elementary level and my experience has been kids asking questions. about gender ad sex. Since that’s not my class, I encourage them to talk to their parents or the school counselor. In every school in my state, parents can opt out of any class that deals with sexual orientation or sex in general. They can also request an alternate assignment if they are uncomfortable with a reading selection, or other lesson, that deals with a controversial topic.

    Nationally, there are more Christian kids in public schools than any other kind of school. Many families can’t afford a private Christian school or homeschooling doesn’t work for them (especially two-income families. In my part of California, two-income families are necessary for economic viability). Parents need to know how to cope, and so do their kids.

    Please also understand that the majority of teachers do not want to be on the bad side of parents. In all my years of teaching (now 40), I’ve only met a few teachers that had a particular ax to grind in the classroom. Many of those teachers didn’t last very long because they were a one-note, second verse, same as the first, operation.

    I agree with Michael’s statement that we are where are at this moment. It has been coming. I would assume most Christians would be horrified (as I have been), but we are still called to witness. There may be moments of standing up and saying NO, and I think we all need to carefully think about what that might look like in terms of our own work and social context. But, the message of the gospel still needs to get out. I’m very committed to that, and I continue to pray for Christian educators that the message will get out that God has a better way.

  46. Dan from Georgia says:

    Praying for your feline friend and family member Michael!

  47. Xenia says:

    I am not sure this link will work here

    https://fb.watch/euZ3-SXl6W/

  48. Xenia says:

    It’s elementary school teachers gloating about how they talked little kids into swapping genders, kids as young as 2nd graders. It’s a FB video, which does seem to link well.

  49. Xenia says:

    Video is working after all. Watch and weep.

  50. Michael says:

    There are freaks in every profession.

    Root them all out…but don’t denounce their profession because of them.

  51. Xenia says:

    If you don’t think these people are groomers…

  52. Michael says:

    I could give you a list of pastors that were convicted of grooming and following through.

    A long list…

    Shall we eliminate churches?

  53. Xenia says:

    No one here has denounced the teaching profession as a whole but there is a serious problem when these freaks ( your label) are allowed near a classroom of little children, encouraged by the US government.

  54. Michael says:

    If you think it’s hard rooting out bad teachers, try rooting out bad pastors…

    As fil and Lin have testified, a parent has a great deal to say about what their children are exposed to.

    That simple fact doesn’t make political hay…

  55. Michael says:

    The problem here is that we do not live in a theocracy, nor will there ever be a Christian majority.

    We have to learn how to deal with the world in spiritual and biblical ways…

  56. victorious says:

    Jesus expects us to be reasonable . . . As an embodied evidence of our citizenship in another kingdom. Till the end. To the degree we set aside our reasonableness, we have lost our saltiness and open ourselves to self righteous deception.

  57. Michael says:

    vic,

    Amen…

  58. bob1 says:

    Amen, vic

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    Heroes, each and every one!
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  60. Dread says:

    Let’s sink this boat and find out who can walk on water.

  61. Muff Potter says:

    Michael wrote:
    “The problem here is that we do not live in a theocracy, nor will there ever be a Christian majority.”

    And I thank my lucky stars that we don’t have a ‘christian theocracy’.
    It would be as brutal a dictatorship as any the world has seen.

  62. Joel Brown says:

    Number 2… I feel that.

  63. pstrmike says:

    “There is nothing that any teacher has done that I can’t name a pastor who did the same…”

    “Let’s sink this boat and find out who can walk on water.”

    LoL.

    I find this thread ironic. Years ago when I first started reading here, I was a CC pastor and sought to vigoursly defend all things CC. I had some private conversations with some good (yes, there are a few), well known CC pastors who told me over and over that I could not defend the indefensible. I realized that the emperor was wearing no clothes and after spending significant time in three seminaries, recognized that I could no longer hold to some of CC theology.

    Reading this post is interesting to me because I rarely can remember a teacher, from grade school to graduate school, who didn’t have some type of agenda. I don’t think it is hard to recognize that everyone who gets up in front of others to teach; whether that be pastors, teachers, politicians, para-church ministers, or motivational speakers, have some type of agenda that they have personalized in some way. There is an investment of the soul that works its way out; often more caught than taught. I say this not only from the perspective of a student, but also working as an adjunct and/or teaching assistant in three different graduate schools.

    Some of the most fun I had in my doctoral studies was burning down the straw men, but in the end, it probably cost me.

    There are some cultural trends that seems to solicit the majority, and yet the world is filled with outliers. Filled with them………

    Yes, there are bad teachers, and there are good teachers. There are bad pastors, and there are a few good pastors. Politicians,……eh, never mind………

  64. JD says:

    Only need one hand to count the worthwhile teachers I had in school.
    Bible teachers? I don’t think the percentage is too high, but two hands might be necessary.

  65. Nonnie says:

    I won’t add anything to this conversation except to say that I am tracking with everything Xenia has said here. She is speaking truth and common sense.

  66. Xenia says:

    Thanks, Nonnie.

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