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  1. Josh says:

    (2-5) The continuation of people worrying about who is woke and who is not, and if that is good or bad is hilarious. Its not a real category. It has no set definition. Bird show the error in the two points. First, he argues against “wokeness” according to some random definition he bought into, and then he argues for a particular way of living…that many people are going to describe as being “woke”. Its a useless pursuit. Live right, and no that when you do you will have opposition. They will call you whatever name they think will discredit you with a certain crowd.

    6. I saw you say it, either here or facebook in the last week. You may have quoted it, don’t remember: Jesus would wash a gay person’s feet? Jesus washed Judas’ feet!
    That’s really all the proof we need of WWJD.

    8. Sin is real, obviously, but I’m not sure it matters the same way I grew up thinking it matters. Jesus paid one sacrifice for all sin, right?

    9. “The collapse…traditional sexuality is not because of political policies”.
    I think its because some people really are just attracted to the same sex. Naturally. They can’t help it, even if they wanted to. That throws a curve ball to conservative Christians have always thought of as Biblical living.

  2. Michael says:

    Josh,

    The sin issue grows larger for me the more I observe things.

    I’m not speaking of individual sins, but of human nature…biblical anthropology if you will.

    The progressive belief that people are basically good and will flourish without guardrails and fences around behavior is the thought of fools.

    An example…here in Oregon we passed laws decriminalizing most drugs and creating programs wherein addicts can safely stay addicts.

    I voted for the measure…thinking it would choke off the cartels and enable people to get off the streets more easily.

    The result is that now it’s a risk to leave your house…you better be home when you have something delivered, and anything not nailed down will be stolen for drug money.

    The parks are now dangerous and disgusting and any attempt to speak about it is seen as class violence and bigotry.

  3. Michael says:

    Because I’m a simpleton, I believe most questions about sexuality can be answered by looking in ones pants and having a rudimentary knowledge of human anatomy.

    There may well be same sex attraction that is genuine…that doesn’t mean we should ratify it as the norm.

    The transgender nonsense is going to lead to more death and destruction than any stupid fad ever…and introducing such confusion as a norm should be a criminal offense.

  4. Bob Sweat says:

    Michael,

    Over the past 18 years, your words and the words of others here at PP have caused me to reflect on my theological and social views. I have been told by some who have known me for years that I am not the same person I used to be. I now take those words as a compliment. I have realized that for years my life was stagnated with an unwillingness to look outside the box of my comfort zone. In many cases, I always felt that I was on the “right” side of wrong. Truth be told, the “right” blinded my eyes to the hurt and despair that exist in this world. Jesus weeps.

  5. Michael says:

    Bob,

    Thank you, my friend.
    That is the highest praise you could give me…thank you being part of the community for so long…your contributions have mattered.

  6. Josh says:

    Bob – you are my favorite person named after after a body fluid.

  7. Linn says:

    Michael-I’ve kept my FB page tame by unfollowing (not unfriending) friends who are overly woke or overly right. I just check in on them from time to time, remember the birthdays, etc. The majority of my posts are apolitical (I never thought of using FB as a political space-just my preference).

    Some FB posts scare me. A friend of mine died in her sleep Friday night from either COVID or RSV. She runs with a group from my church who are very cavalier about vaccines and tout the “it’s just another flu” line. If she had gone to the hospital earlier, she would probably still be here. She had cardiac and asthma issues, and I can’t believe she didn’t see a doctor. 🙁

  8. Michael says:

    Linn,

    I’m sorry for your loss…especially if it could have been prevented.

    I like your FB page…you have a fine cat!

  9. Linn says:

    Michael,
    My fine cat knows my February break is up, and he causing mayhem!

  10. Michael says:

    Linn,

    It’s what cats do!

    Liam wanted me to get up earlier than I wanted to…I’m still cleaning up the mess…

  11. Bob Sweat says:

    Josh

    No sweat!

  12. Dan from Georgia says:

    Michael,

    That is why I try to keep grievances, politics, etc off my FB page. Unfortunately I get few likes for stuff I think is actually cool. Been discouraged that I don’t get much interaction on there. I am thankful for you and the others who do like my stuff I post.

  13. Michael says:

    Dan,

    I’ve learned not to take FB personally.
    I don’t see many or sometimes any of my real friend’s posts…the FB algorithm is awful.
    I do like what I see on your page, though…you break up the monotony with something visually interesting.

  14. Dan from Georgia says:

    Thanks~! I have to learn to not take FB personally. I have a friend on there that says the same thing about the algorithms!

  15. Linn says:

    Dan,
    FB is for the people who care about me and what is going on in my life. Many of them are Spanish-speakers, here and in South America. I also have a number of former students who like to keep in touch. The likes-they’re nice, but the FB messages that say “I remember you” or “I received Jesus as my Savior in such and such a place when you gave an invitation at VBS” are the things that truly bring me joy. My former church association just did a post on the schools they have founded in the past 10 years, and I was so excited! The schools are in rural places where country schools are either substandard or never open. These kids have a chance at a good education, nutritional and medical help, and spiritual guidance. That’s why I do FB (and my cat would never forgive me if I didn’t post his picture from time to time!).

  16. Josh says:

    “There may well be same sex attraction that is genuine…that doesn’t mean we should ratify it as the norm.

    The transgender nonsense is going to lead to more death and destruction than any stupid fad ever”

    I don’t know. None of it scares me, and like most fads, I sort of think that’s the intention. If you don’t shriek in horror, it usually moves onto something else.

  17. Jean says:

    This is a very well thought out and challenging collection of Things….

    2: Agree. One theologian I respect said it this way: Just because racism isn’t everywhere doesn’t mean it’s nowhere.

    3: Lot of truth here. I would want to nuance this one more:

    “The woke solution to perceived inequalities is (1) a public and performative outrage that trades in emotionalism rather than argumentation; (2) to obliterate the distinction between public and private life (so yes, your boss can sack you for that Facebook post, for the religion you belong to, what political party you support, and who your parents are);”

    On the one hand, the doxxing by some on the right of judges, school board members, prosecutors, etc. for the purpose of bullying (sometimes with violent and threatening consequences) people they don’t like in the name of justice, is repulsive. On the other hand, if Joe Blow is going to represent himself in Social Media as a neo-Nazi or Klan member, I would not want him in my company period. I would not want my brand or my co-workers exposed to him, even if it’s his private persona.

    4: True, but Bird might have gotten a little woke himself:

    “Rather, the biblical view of salvation means rescuing the poor, the oppressed, the blind, and the captive. If the gospel is to be good news, then it must have a good message for those on the margins of society, for those who know poverty, hunger, alienation, and shame.”

    Why not say rescuing anyone and everyone, including all rungs of society…? The fact is, in God’s eyes all unbelievers are oppressed by sin, blind their spiritual state, and captive to sin and the devil.

    5: Agree.

    6: The biggest problem I saw with the add and Kaitlyn’s commentary is that we do not have a common definition of love. Love took Jesus to the cross for us. He gave his live to atone for our sins. Believers are baptized into his death. It’s a death to sin.

    Loving disciples should be (a) lovingly helping and supporting people repent of their sins and trusting in their one and only Savior, and also (b) lovingly supporting the victims of someone else’s sins against the victim.

    The most unloving thing any believer could do is normalize, condone, silently tolerate or support sin.

  18. Dan from Georgia says:

    Thanks Linn! I wish I had that kind of impact on people, but with what God has provided me currently, maybe just posting stuff that isn’t controversial, rage-inducing, etc, is where God wants my participation to be.

    Michael,

    Your thought #1 inspired my post on FB today. Thanks!

  19. Michael says:

    Jean,

    You and I would disagree strenuously about definitions.

    One of the reasons I left the Reformed tradition was a devaluing of human emotions and the draining from Jesus of the same.

    I just taught on the story of raising Lazarus…and especially on all the relational markers and love evidenced by Jesus.

    I also reject that Jesus only came to address spiritual problems in a spiritual manner…both testaments speak of a God who wants to address oppression, corruption and sickness…and the eschaton will be the will of God fully realized.

    Have to get back to the Daytona 500…

  20. Jean says:

    “I also reject that Jesus only came to address spiritual problems in a spiritual manner…both testaments speak of a God who wants to address oppression, corruption and sickness…and the eschaton will be the will of God fully realized.”

    So do I. However, the main problem which leads to all other maladies, and the problem which has eternal consequences, is sin. Matthew tells us early in the Gospel what the chief mission of Jesus was:

    “She will bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins.”
    Matthew 1:21 ESV

  21. Reuben says:

    I don’t agree with Bird’s definition of “woke”, but I am no longer dogmatic about “wokeness” either. However, if you understand Marxism, you understand my stance on classism, aka inequality.

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