Today Is The National Day of Prayer

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  1. Michael says:

    Every year we claim the promises made to national Israel…

  2. As adopted heirs into the bloodline of Abraham, are the promises now void?

  3. Michael says:

    I forgot all about this event till this morning.
    It’s been co-opted for political purposes and doesn’t move me in the least.

  4. Michael says:

    Its a specific promise to a theocracy.
    We’re not a theocracy.

  5. The specific promise is of course not for the nation of America, but “My People”. If His people follow what is said in the promise, is there anything there for them?

  6. Michael says:


    I don’t believe so.

  7. The misapplication of the Chronicles quote has always been the major put-off of this stuff. Playing loosy-goosy with a prophecy never addressed to Americans, saying it can apply to the USA is typically fundamentalist & evangelical, which I never understood.

    The other thing that has always bothered me is the weird idea that somehow getting a lot of people together to pray about something somehow persuades God by convincing Him that there are now enough folks who are finally on board, who are gonna shout more sincerely, weep more earnestly, like the priests of Baal. Think about it, sort of like God is a surly capricious parent who must be persuaded by enough of His children whining to Him, with a heavenly scene of Him going, “ohhhh, allll, riiiiight” (eyes roll)

    It reminds me of Woodstock 1969, “Hey, if you think really hard, maybe we can stop this rain!”

    How about we simply stop making noise and we just be about what we should be about without drawing attention to anyone other that Jesus, doing our goodness in secret, just like He tells us to do?

  8. Shaun Sells says:

    I don’t use the Chronicles passage, but I use Jeremiah 18:7-10:

    “At one moment I might speak concerning a nation or concerning a kingdom to uproot, to pull down, or to destroy it; if that nation against which I have spoken turns from its evil, I will relent concerning the calamity I planned to bring on it. Or at another moment I might speak concerning a nation or concerning a kingdom to build up or to plant it; if it does evil in My sight by not obeying My voice, then I will think better of the good with which I had promised to bless it.”
    Jeremiah 18:7-10 (NASB)

  9. I wouldn’t participate in this or any National Day of Prayer if I was paid. It is so phoney it’s ridiculous.

  10. Xenia says:

    Well! Here’s what today *really* is: It’s Great and Holy Thursday, that’s what it is.

    Pascha (Easter) this Sunday.

  11. Shaun Sells says:

    I don’t for a second doubt that thousands of a people across America will be gathering to sincerely seek God for our nation. Their may be some phoney people and the marketing may not be what we like, but praying for our nation is good. I participate every year.

  12. Gary says:

    If My people (which are called by My Name) will humble themselves and stop judging My other people (which are also called by My Name) maybe I will heal them too. Maybe

  13. Steve Wright says:

    “Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a reproach to any people”
    I believe this verse, especially given the genre of the book in which it is found, has a universal application.

  14. Judgment begins in the house of God, yet there is no judgment and no accountability. Clean up your house first, then get to cleaning up the heathen.

    Paul the Apostle says you are to judge the church and not the world.

    So-called Christians excel in judging the unwashed heathen, yet so much grace for themselves. So very convenient.

  15. Michael says:

    The local Christian station is in full “Republican Day of Prayer” mode.
    Me…I’m watching George Jones funeral….

  16. Ah, the cutting truth.

    You know it’s true. All the Christians are praying today for God to save the United States from all the gays, all the god-hating atheists, all the evil heathens who aren’t godly like they are.

    The great Nation of God is doomed if the heathens don’t repent, meanwhile the church is an untreated festering puss-sore covered up with a nice Tommy Bahama shirt.

  17. Michael says:

    The church is still the bride of Christ…and the last few days I’ve witnessed many acts of quiet kindness and the love of God shown forth through her.
    The majority are just trying to live every day in the face of God.
    There are problems and injustices wherever sinners are gathered…but I love the church.

  18. Frosted Flake says:

    G and Shaun,
    Very well said, I agree heartily. The liberty we take identifying with Israel has disturbed me for years. Dangerous ground if you are in CC.

  19. What is the “church”? I thought it was Calvary Chapel.

  20. Michael says:

    This thread isn’t about Calvary Chapel…and I intend to keep it that way.

  21. PP Vet says:

    Promises made to national Israel embody principles.

    Those principles could apply to any country.

    Do you really think that if the Christians in (for example) Taiwan seek God, it will not affect the overall health of the country?

    I understand (a little) the frustration with a theologically naive Israelization of the United States or any country.

    But what is the motto here: Prayer Doesn’t Change Things? How stupid is that.

  22. PP Vet, kinda makes my point, though in a ruder way 🙂

    But yeah, I think a spiritual principal applies to all believers. Repentance, humility, and prayer are the way to seek God.

    The “payoff” may not be for the nation of America, but for the Body of Christ. We are His people. America is not.

  23. ( |o )====::: says:

    Simplicity is the best path, the path to personal peace.

    Wishing you a wonderful day.

  24. PP Vet says:

    Ruder and cruder, JTB, thanks for noticing.

    Whimpering simpering prayer can be wonderful, certainly.

    But sadly people are not trained to pray with authority….

  25. ( |o )====::: says:

    PP Vet,
    More people praying = then, and only then, shall God hear, act, heal?

    These statements are frustrating because of how they misrepresent God, making God out to be some odd disconnected deity.

    The revolutionary thing about Jesus was that He forever made God intimate, immediate, The Companion. The unique thing about the gospel is the very presence of The Living God, and “Ichabod” is forever impossible

  26. Crowned1 says:

    I cannot, in good conscience, pray for the betterment of America.

    If I haven’t lost you yet…

    I can though, in good conscience, pray for the betterment of ‘all humanity’, including their coming to know about our Savior.

    National days of prayer though? I don’t participate. My daily praying does not need to involve other people & religions.

    Matt 6:5

  27. Kevin H says:

    I agree with PP Vet @22 and Josh @23. I believe there are principles in play that if we were to follow would only serve to benefit the overall health of our country.

    Where I think we get in trouble is when the II Chronicles verse is spoken as a promise to America or is at least heavily implied as so. Far too often is this verse (along with other verses which speak of specific judgments on Israel) used as a political tool.

    But I think we also have to be careful not to overreact to the political mis-use of some and reject something like the National Day of Prayer totally out of hand. There are many who are earnestly praying to the Lord for a true spiritual revival and renewal of the hearts of those who make up this country. Let us not reject them and even consider joining them.

  28. filbertz says:

    I don’t see a nation in New Testament theology. I see a Body. America can’t repent like Israel could have, for we are not His chosen People/Nation. Individuals can repent, and if enough individuals in America repent, it can change the tone of American culture. The blending of Israel and America is poor theology and worse practice.

    I am a proud American citizen and wouldn’t want to live anywhere else, but I don’t for a minute think this nation is somehow uniquely ‘blessed of God.’

  29. Crowned1 says:

    “I am a proud American citizen and wouldn’t want to live anywhere else, but I don’t for a minute think this nation is somehow uniquely ‘blessed of God.’”


  30. “I cannot, in good conscience, pray for the betterment of America.”

    I can, and do, because I have children growing up in this country.

    Otherwise, I agree with Kevin, and filbertz, too.

  31. Bob says:

    “I don’t see a nation in New Testament theology.”

    I disagree. Why? Because the NT doesn’t stand alone annulling the OT words and accounts. Any nation of people can “repent” and turn to God. Followers of the Messiah Jesus are called His body and yet they are still made up of people groups (nations) from all over the world.

    Yes metaphorically the people making up the “body” are a “royal priesthood…” but that is also a quote from the OT referring to Israel.

    The Chronicles quote, “if my people…,” is being spoken to Israel but as far as application goes it can apply to any who repent and turn to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the One who redeemed us through Jesus.

    I believe as the USA becomes more secular and turns to more idols (yes being a pop star is an idol) for its sustenance it will pay the consequences of its actions. What does that mean and will God rain “fire” down on the USA? I don’t know, but I do know this, sexual impurity (I believe Paul talked about this) has brought a seemingly never ending plague of disease, death and destruction of people’s lives. But repenting and making a change in OUR behavior isn’t really what many of us really pray about, is it?

    God thank you for the people who organize and have a passion for this day. Forgive me and bless You for making a way for me to come to You!

    Michael, Thank you for this thread and remembering this day!

  32. ( |o )====::: says:

    Agree completely

  33. filbertz says:

    I view the Old Testament as the diving board and the Church the swimming pool.


  34. Bob says:

    Hate to disagree but here in the NT is a quote about nations:

    23 And the city has no need of the sun or of the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God has illumined it, and its lamp is the Lamb.
    24 The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it.
    25 In the daytime (for there will be no night there) its gates will never be closed;
    26 and they will bring the glory and the honor of the nations into it;
    27 and nothing unclean, and no one who practices abomination and lying, shall ever come into it, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life.

    Rev 21

    Yeah I guess there aren’t any nations in the NT. ;(

  35. filbertz says:

    Bob, you are correct that “nations” appear in the NT. That isn’t what I meant. God isn’t dealing with A nation like He did in the OT, Israel, nor has he selected folks to populate the Church by their national citizenship; instead, by individual salvation. No one will be in heaven primarily because of their American citizenship…perhaps despite it… 😉

  36. Crowned1 says:

    Josh @ 31

    My daughter is included in my prayer for ‘all peoples, tongues, and nations’.

    It is simply a different perspective, I think. Maybe even semantics :). God has removed a lot of my patriotism, because it was border-lining on pride.

    I think when I can find a healthy balance between patriotism & humility, I will entertain your stance again. That is something that God is currently working with me on. Blessings to you.

  37. Yes, I pray for all nations, but I want my kids to be particularly safe. I think God understands.

  38. everstudy says:

    Re: “Do you really think that if the Christians in (for example) Taiwan seek God, it will not affect the overall health of the country?”

    I dunno. Let’s ask the Christians in N. Korea, or in M.E. counties why they haven’t yet. This sounds too much like, “You’re sick because you don’t have enough faith…”

    Just my opinion.

  39. gary says:

    “For it is time for judgement to begin with the family of God” is not license to judge others, silly. It means God judges. Or you could begin by judging yourself. How about this one- Blessed is the man who does not walk in the counsel of the wicked, or stand in the way of sinners, or sit in the seat of mockers.

  40. Bob says:

    I check back and wonder why some are afraid of praying for the repentance of their nation?

    “Do you really think that if the Christians in (for example) Taiwan seek God, it will not affect the overall health of the country?”

    The absolute answer is YES!

    Seeking God changes the seeker not God and when the seeker changes heart so does his or her behavior. So how can a nation’s overall health not improve if a group of people seek God and follow Him?

    Personally many are just making excuses. It reminds me of a “Christian” who had a bumper sticker on their car that read, “Focus On Your Own Damn Family.” I guess he was offended by Dr. Dobson.

    Praying for repentance is a good thing and it starts at home.

  41. filbertz says:

    If I ever open a tavern, I’ll call it “Mockers” 😉

  42. Gary says:

    The guy who said “Focus on your own damn family” was a guy who worked for FOTF.

  43. Gary says:

    That would be a good name, filbertz

  44. Lutheran says:

    Re: “Do you really think that if the Christians in (for example) Taiwan seek God, it will not affect the overall health of the country?”

    I dunno. Let’s ask the Christians in N. Korea, or in M.E. counties why they haven’t yet. This sounds too much like, “You’re sick because you don’t have enough faith…”

    Just my opinion.

    I agree.

    Why do we always assume that God’s blessing means freedom from adversity and pain?
    The theology of the cross says that that’s where God is often hidden. Our measurements are often shallow and self centered. Mine included.

  45. Xenia says:

    Pray for everyone and for everything. Pray with faith and doubt not.

  46. PP Vet says:

    “I wouldn’t participate in this or any National Day of Prayer if I was paid. It is so phoney it’s ridiculous.” Delightfully hilarious.

    PhxPrchr, where we actually say what other Christians are only thinking.

  47. PP Vet says:

    G, I think I hear you about some concepts of prayer misrepresenting God.

    But I like to know what my kids want. When they really want something, they succeed at it.

    So perhaps we could interpret some of these calls to prayer as us being asked, What do you want?

    I heard Heidi Baker say, You need to want something.

    Want more. Want a changed life. Want abundance and peace and life and health, for yourself and the people you know. And tell Him what you want. That is called prayer.

  48. PP Vet says:

    (20-minute turkey rule in effect)

    Jesus in the garden told his daddy what he wanted: to not have to die on the cross. And then he told his daddy what he really really wanted: whatever his daddy wanted.

    Similarly, we can pray for what we want, but also for what we really really want.

  49. Candidly I really struggle with this whole concept of “prayer”. God is omniscient, therefore we would be telling Someone something He already knows, ya know?

    Maybe praying, “Help me see others with fresh eyes of Your love, help me be willing to sacrifice my ego for the sake of the joy of building up someone else, and counting on You, Father, to give me confidence for the complexities that often overwhelm me. Help me through today while I wait to hear back on that pending job opportunity, that operation that needs a good outcome, the unanswered phone calls, my own self perpetuating loneliness brought on by my stinkin’ thinkin’…”

    We pray prayers and sing songs which often belie the realities of what God has revealed about Himself, like “God, come meet us here…” How can Someone Who is omnipresent come to somewhere He already is?

    Guess I gotta agree with the idea that we’re always gonna be flawed and sill short sighted humans who forget our re-birthright of The Kingdom, and that we’re already equipped and empowered with all we need to redeem the world so we need to stop making excuses and get off our butts and make the world a better place, at least that’s what I think I’m supposed to do.

  50. Crowned1 says:

    ( |o )====::: @ 50

    I have thought along those lines before as well. Ultimately, I reached the conclusion that although God already knows what I am going to ask…I think He wants us to ask anyways to have that relationship, to express our acknowledgement of His Lordship, and also because it is therapeutic (at least for me anyways) to talk to Him about it.

  51. Xenia’s #46. Spot on.

  52. Rob Murphy says:

    I agree, Xenia’s #46 is what God has impressed on my heart about talking to Him.

  53. London says:

    I think some if you who say you won’t participate in the National Day of Prayer just don’t like to be told what to do,when to do it and who to do it with.

  54. PP Vet says:

    There are seasons in our lives. There was a time when an event such as the NDOP was much more meaningful to me than it is today. But to others, it is very meaningful, and I try to respect that.

  55. Christian one-linners

    Don’t let your worries get the best of you; Remember, Moses started out as a basket case.

    Some people are kind, polite, and sweet-spirited
    Until you try to sit in their pews.

    Many folks want to serve God,
    But only as advisers.

    It is easier to preach ten sermons
    Than it is to live one.

    The good Lord didn’t create anything without a purpose,
    But mosquitoes come close.

    When you get to your wit’s end,
    You’ll find God lives there.

    People are funny; they want the front of the bus,
    Middle of the road,
    And back of the church.

    Opportunity may knock once,
    But temptation bangs on the front door forever.

    Quit griping about your church;
    If it was perfect, you couldn’t belong.

    If a church wants a better pastor,
    It only needs to pray for the one it has.

    We’re called to be witnesses, not lawyers or Judges.

    God Himself doesn’t propose to judge a man until
    he is dead. So why should you?

    Some minds are like concrete
    Thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.

    Peace starts with a smile.

    I don’t know why some people change churches;
    What difference does it make which one you stay home from?

    Be ye fishers of men. You catch ’em – He’ll clean ’em.

    Stop, Drop, and Roll won’t work in Hell.


    Coincidence is when God chooses to remain anonymous.

    Don’t put a question mark where God put a period.

    Don’t wait for 6 strong men to take you to church.

    Forbidden fruits create many jams.

    God doesn’t call the qualified, He qualifies the called.

    God grades on the cross, not the curve.

    God loves everyone,
    But probably prefers ‘fruits of the spirit’ over ‘religious nuts!’

    God promises a safe landing, not a calm passage..

    He who angers you, controls you!

    If God is your Co-pilot, swap seats!

    Don’t give God instructions, just report for duty!

    The task ahead of us is never as
    great as the Power behind us.

    The Will of God never takes you to where the
    Grace of God will not protect you.

    We don’t change the message,
    The message changes us.

    You can tell how big a person is
    By what it takes to discourage him/her.

    The best mathematical equation I have ever seen:
    1 cross + 3 nails = 4 given.

  56. Gary says:

    Great quotes!!

  57. brian says:

    There were times in my life I loved the National Day of Prayer, first because I might sneak in in some sleazy way a selfish prayer for myself with a community. I know that is utterly disgusting at best but I admit I went to these prayer services to receive community prayer. After these many years I cant state I will never ever cross that abominable line ever. I liked being in the community, granted I hid in the back and I was extremely careful what I asked prayer for but I was among fellow people (granted this is pathetic and vile, no human should ever need human contact). But I liked the singing and comradely even though it was based on very shallow rhetoric. Its better then no community, another sin I need to repent of.

    There was one National Day of Prayer I remember really well, a group of very nice people surrounded me and laid hands on me, something that scared me because it could be possible I was in some way hidden to me manipulating the group for some nefarious satanic reason. They prayed for me, I “felt” (something I often try to repent of). I remember leaving that service crying on the way home because I was absolutely convinced I had manipulated these fine people for some evil reason. Now this is pathetic when I first became a christian I would go forward or fill out prayer requests because I thought I can connect with God with a group of fellow believers to touch the heart of God. Now that I understand that such twaddle are totally and always evil and no true christian would ever cross the “need” help line. I no longer do that, and wont to my dying day. That got through real clear. I would like but no, one has to pay to high a price.

    So a student mentioned the National Day of Prayer she said its time to pray for each other and asked me several times, Being the satanic worshiper I am I said nothing, because I would rather burn out my eye balls with a soldering iron then damage the faith of any person especially one of those I work with. I eventually, through great frustration, you are right this is the national day of prayer, and each day should be a national day of prayer. It seem to give her some peace. I usually do not do that but she was really seeking some response. I know my response lacked doctrinal clarity and I am a pawn of Satan because of it. I get that, check, I am a pawn of Satan. Ok lets move on.

    In one of my rather frantic prayer sessions where I was praying God would take me out so I knew He was there, I prayed Satan would do the same, just to know for that second between this life and eternity they were there. ***crickets chirping ** and that was it. I will be honest this did not damage my faith at all, of course this confirms my depravity because I cant even get my eternal roll right. I mean God ordained my eternal destruction from before day one. I got that one loud and clear. I will admit I had a hard time with that same destruction being applied to my family, I admit I did not witness to them as effectively as possible with as much power as i should have. Their eternal loss is on my soul. I find that hard to carry but it is my fault. I get that and it echoes in my ears. I also get the fact that it echoes in my ears that it is emotional which adds to my evil.

    I still go to public prayer events I pray, earnestly and when offered try to help. I can say I no longer go forward or even in my “soul” ( if I have one) try to offer up prayer. It is just to tiring and it has way to many strings attached and way to man gotcha moments. I remember the first time I heard the Gospel of Christ, the freedom, the hope, the love. I can say after some 30 years in the industry I have repented of such nonsense and I do my best to harden my heart against such emotional twaddle.

  58. Gary says:

    You manipulated nobody. Those people who laid hands on you and prayed for you did what they wanted to do. They each have their own mind and heart. Jesus came and gave Himself for you and people like you. Those who are not sick don’t need a doctor, only those who are sick, and you are sick in the way Jesus meant. You need help from Jesus and He wants you. He has His own mind and heart too. I don’t believe for one second that you are a pawn of Satan. I think you know this. You probably just need to be on meds. God did not ordain eternal destruction for you. That’s bunk (not to be confused with a bed). Emotions are neither good or bad. I think I told you that before. How much of what you write is sarcasm? You know, the best sarcasm is the most believable and you are believable.

  59. answeringquestion says:

    let me respond to the question. I am hiding a bit of my identity because this is rather personal but I hope will be helpful. let me try to explain a preacher I mention here quite abit was giving his testimony, out of respect I wont say who it is because I respect he was trying to share his world view and belief. His father and him were working together and his father had a massive heart attack and fell dead in his arms. He then went into a tirade about how some said he was a poor kid and what happened was traumatic and he drank some after this event. This evangelist went on to say that he was not a victim basically he was using his father’s death to sin and on and on. That is insane, pure and simple. If your father drops dead in front of you in hurts you and you go crazy. That was my point, in my experience it was often spoken that the victim card was played to excuse our sin.

    An example and this is one of many, my sister and her son were beaten really bad by an abusive boy friend, she was in the hospital and he was hurt. I heard about it and I became angry and frustrated, having seen, and defended my sister several times when her boyfriends would try to slap the taste out of her mouth. I was living in a christian house when I got the call and my roommate who is a really good guy. He offered about 5 seconds of sympathy, which is far more then should ever be offered, then said “You really enjoy this dont you?”. That scare still remains, I must be a real scum to even use this event to gain some type of street cred. I stayed with my sister to the day she died, I even felt guilty about that. You see our American religion makes us crazy. You asked about sarcasm, in a way at times but it comes from real hurt, but not my hurt I could care less, I see so many who are hurt far worse.

    I am a lost sinner who often spends hours on my face literal and figurative to try to plead with God. As for being believable, at times but some of my memories are muddled and filtered through decades of frustration, that does not give a clear view of every event so I couch my experiences in a way that does not cast aspersions on other specific folks but it is still not the best way to do this.

  60. Found and passed along, profound…

  61. To inspire thankfulness

  62. Gary says:

    #60 You’re right. It was wrong for him to say that. As long as you know that it should help you cope with what’s happened to you. It must’ve hurt you read bad and I don’t believe you’re using it for anything bad. You’re just talking it out. We all need to talk things out, especially when we’ve had bad experiences like you’ve had. Those experiences were real and you need to bounce them off people to digest them. To figure them out.
    What I meant about sarcasm was that I wasn’t sure if you were using sarcasm in some of your conclusions about yourself because I believe what you’re saying. Also cuz I like sarcasm. I like your last paragraph. It shows you have compassion.

  63. Gary says:

    ( lo )====:::, has a lot of great videos like the pic you posted. Most of their videos are interesting.

  64. “There are problems and injustices wherever sinners are gathered…but I love the church.”

    Yes, yes, yes!!!

  65. London @#54, 🙂

  66. PP Vet, your #55 is pretty much where I’m at these days. Maybe someday there will be a different season, but for now…

  67. brian, I love you.

  68. London had said “I think some if you who say you won’t participate in the National Day of Prayer just don’t like to be told what to do,when to do it and who to do it with.”

    My thought is that for at least the past 30 yrs, (ever since the Dobsons became involved) that the NDOP has been a political event more than a church event.

    In either case, it is an “event” and nothing more.

    If it’s “National” and it’s for “ALL” Christians, why have I not seen the lesbian, episcopalian minister up on the podium, praying for God to open the hearts and minds of the bigoted right winged fundamentalist Christian to see that same sex marriage is A-OK.?

    The NDOP – we know who is in and who is out

  69. MLD, what does that have anything to do with what London said?

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