Who Can I Learn From?

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15 Responses

  1. bob1 says:

    Glad you’re including him and that you respect your readers’ intelligence. If we only followed those without flaws, it would be a “mighty small congregation.”

  2. Michael says:

    bob1,

    Most of the warnings I hear from pulpits and online are simply control issues so people don’t think in ways that could challenge the one doing the warning.

    It’s a form of institutional control.

    I tend to my flock…they can ask me about anything and we can discuss it…sometimes, they disagree with me.

    Not a big deal…at least they are thinking…

  3. Josh says:

    I want everyone to feel welcome in the church. I feel like we should be breaking down barriers between people and Jesus, not playing gatekeeper. Once they get to Him, he can do wiht them as He please3s.

  4. Michael says:

    Josh,

    I would tend to agree…if they are seeking Him,He will be found.

  5. Josh says:

    Whew. Your Facebook feed is PTSD triggering. You’ve always been a stronger man than me.

  6. Michael says:

    Josh,

    After what you’ve been through, you’re as tough as they come.

    The Facebook thing is interesting.

    I just don’t care who doesn’t like me anymore…if they don’t like me because of political reasons.

    I try to post things that give people “permission” to think outside the box and affirm them in recognizing the church has hurt people.

    I push cat and pet issues because that matters to me.

    I try not to be controversial for the sake of riling people…just being who I am .

    I realize that we (I) have lost most of our former readers over Trump, immigration, and Covid.

    The community is smaller now…but I’m feeling much freer to tell it like I see it.

  7. Captain Kevin says:

    Cremer has a great perspective on many issues. I don’t have to agree with everything to agree with somethings.

    “ but I’m feeling much freer to tell it like I see it.” As you should.

  8. The New Victor says:

    I ran into a member of CCSJ the other morning, a random occurrence in our city. Shook hands, hugged. I hadn’t seen him since before covid. He asked where I was (church wise). I said nowhere. He invited me back, pastor was on a roll or on fire, I forget what exactly he said. I didn’t want to get into it. I know they likely doubled their congregation by defying county orders, but they’re also legally fighting over $1M in fines (how much of tithes goesto lawyers?). I’d love to return to see the few friends I had made there, but feel I can’t in good conscience. I may be also still “butt-hurt” as the kids say when I reached out to a leader at the beginning of the lockdowns to volunteer my time and $ to help people and was told that they had it covered.

    I miss the small man group, and the men and women who loved my kids, but… I can’t fake my feelings, right or wrong. Do I need a Leader?

    As much as I can’t stand corporate radio, KLOVE and AirOne keep my kids engaged, especially my daughter.

  9. Michael says:

    TNV,

    I have folks who left the church after Trump/before Covid. I want to ask them how they are getting along…but I know the only conversations they want to have.

    For me, it’s better to move on.

  10. Xenia says:

    Since the topic of folks who left the blog has come up, I thought I’d take this opportunity to explain myself, being as I was once a very prolific poster.

    First off, I want to thank Michael for allowing me to preach Eastern Orthodoxy here for the past twenty years on his dime. I really appreciate his generosity in this regard. For that reason I will always be grateful for him. Thank you, Michael.

    Now as to why I left… It wasn’t because of either Trump or Covid because I am conflicted on both subjects, as had been pointed out. I think the best I can say is that we (me and all you guys) are just not on the same page anymore. Often I thought of returning to the blog but then I would read something and though, “Aw, what’s the point, do I really want to argue with these dear people?” And there was another issue which I will keep to myself lest “Hell splits wide open.”

    But, I still peek in from time to time and I remember my time here fondly. It is no longer a home for me and my thoughts, but that’s neither here nor there.

    God bless you all,
    Xenia

  11. Michael says:

    Xenia,

    I know that you are missed…not just by myself, but by our readers.

    You are welcome to return anytime…I’m sure many are on the same page with you…thoughtful disagreement is always welcome. that’s how we learn.

  12. Terry says:

    I found out about Barth’s long-time assistant just as I was becoming a big fan of the guy. It’s almost like he had two wives, as they all lived together.

    On a related note, I somehow still enjoy Woody Allen movies but my wife doesn’t. She can’t distinguish the artist from his work. I agree the man’s flaws bleed into his work.

  13. Captain Kevin says:

    Xenia, I’m glad you popped in. You are loved.

  14. jtk says:

    “I’m obsessed with cats…”
    😂😂😂

    Many of us know that’s not your biggest problem….

    We still love ya….

  15. Shawn says:

    I have always made it a practice to listen to or read those I do not agree with on everything. It is amazing how many times they will uncover a nugget of truth that is often neglected by “sound” voices. Most of the time when I listen to NPR or watch CNN I yell at the air because I simply cannot believe how they arrive at many of their conclusions.

    Yet, I have also been confronted to consider something outside of my normal perview (especially religiously speaking) on hundreds of occasions. I think it was yesterday Terry Gross had an interesting conversation with some person I never heard of about Christianity. I found it a rather stimulating discussion with lots good insight especially how the church is missing its true mission by being too enamored with political power. Furthermore, it was interesting to hear someone else besides my widely sporadic thoughts discuss the effect that this enamorment has on a watching world. Needless to say it is not a positive one.

    We as Christians shoot our own wounded and divide over the most ungodly things in the name of “righteousness” and “Biblical fidelity.” The two of which are really more of a license to ignore those two things for a personal agenda.

    I think the following words I once read sum it up in a nutshell, “If the faith I profess to have has not the power to change my life neither does it have the power to change my destiny (loose paraphrase of Tozer I think). To this end whatever happened to, “Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you” (Matthew 5:44) and “By this all people will know you are my disciples by your love one for another?” (John 13:36)

    Hmm. Interesting. I think I may be starting to feel better. Better about my health but not the moronic preoccupations of “my brethren.” Lol.

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