Worship and the Glory of God: Duane W.H. Arnold, PhD

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17 Responses

  1. Jean says:

    Outstanding article Duane.

    If I might ask, who objects to the idea corporate prayer? That astonishes me.

  2. Jean says:

    And, as a follow up to my question in #1, do you know what the basis for such an objection would be?

  3. Xenia says:

    I’ve been part of all kinds of churches in my life and I have never encountered a group that objected to corporate prayer. Mostly, I have heard things said in group prayer situations that IMO are Prayer Closet Only material.

    I am familiar with groups that don’t like to recite printed prayers (liturgical prayers) either privately or corporately. That would include the Lord’s Prayer.

  4. Duane Arnold says:

    In referring to corporate prayer, I specifically had in mind liturgical common prayer, as in the prayers of the people, the Lord’s Prayer and responsive prayer. I think there is real power as we pray a common prayer… We have to wait for each other, give attention to those praying with us, focus on our common responses, etc. It is something that not only expresses unity, but, I think, it also promotes unity.

    I hope this helps…

  5. Michael says:

    Corporate prayer is usually liturgical in nature and many evangelicals have been led to believe that such is “rote” and “Catholic”.

    On the other hand, good luck trying to get anyone to show up for a “heartfelt” prayer meeting…

  6. Duane Arnold says:

    To answer the second part of Jean’s question, I think there are many who believe that all prayer should be extemporaneous without the “restrictions” they feel in liturgical corporate prayer.

  7. Jean says:

    I personally love corporate prayer and responsive prayer. I like the prayers which are written out. At my church we pray the Psalms weekly corporately also. In fact, virtually all of the spoken liturgy is from the Scriptures.

    Is there someone who can come up with something better than God’s Word for prayers?

    On the other hand, I hate the long winded extemporaneous prayers in the … churches I have visited. Especially those prayers which are actually in the guise of a prayer but are really speaking to the congregation about what to do, or some upcoming event, etc.

  8. Duane Arnold says:

    #7 Jean

    Could not agree more…

  9. bob1 says:


    And there’s the prayer of the just…

    “Lord, we just ask you to just bless us and just…”

  10. em... again says:

    are we equating prayer with worship?
    one thing seems clear to me is that …
    we cannot honestly worship what we do not know – the more we learn of our Triune God, the deeper and clearer our worship – there is nothing that we will ever learn of Him that will give us cause to not worship Him

  11. Duane Arnold says:

    #10 Em

    Absolutely right…

  12. Josh the Baptist says:

    We are beings created for worship. We constantly emit worship at all times. It flows from us. The key fort the believer is learning to direct that worship towards the proper target.

  13. Duane Arnold says:

    Yes, “Our hearts are restless until they rest in Thee…” as Augustine says…

  14. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    I am wondering if this article is part one of a 2 part writing?
    I agree with everything that is written here as a part of worship.

    In the Lutheran world it is called The Divine Worship Service as it is not us but it is God who (and I know this will sound funny to many ears) brings his worship to us. This is the time that God brings to us his grace and good gifts. It is the time that God does for us his people.

    The part 2 is our response to what we have received. Our praise, our songs, our prayers are in response to what God is doing for us right there. (part 2 is actually interspersed within part 1)

  15. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    I should clarify that “Our praise, our songs, our prayers are in response to what God is doing for us right there…” is just us in various forms and methods saying back to God what he has already said to us.

  16. John 20:29 says:

    hooray! MLD just said that the Church responds to what God initiates … err, i think he did

  17. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Em, I am glad you find that noteworthy. The Church cannot do anything on it’s own except to respond to God’s moving.
    There is no such thing as a person worshiping God without first God having done something.

    Many I know do the opposite and use what they think is worship to conjure up God.

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