Kevins’ Conversations: Addicted To Rage…

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  1. Michael says:

    I’ll be blunt…this issue is getting to me.
    I’ve thought a lot about shutting this down and getting off social media completely, especially after last week.
    I’m just not angry enough to sustain being among the very angry most of the time…

  2. Al says:

    Well, yes. It’s called the Human Condition.

    At least folks are just raging on social media and not killing each other in real life.

    “500 murdered in Chicago so far this” “Black Lies Matter protest kills cops” “Islamic Jihadi blows himself up for god killing 18”

    Ooops, my bad. Happens in real life, too.

  3. Jean says:

    Michael,
    What happened last week?

    Kevin thank you for a good reminder.

  4. Michael says:

    It’s societal suicide.
    We no longer believe those who disagree with us are wrong,we believe them evil as well.
    We respond to each other on that basis.
    There is little sensitive discussion of issues…just vitriolic name calling and contempt.
    It will always be clear that someone is against something or someone,rarely an explanation of why.

  5. Kevin H says:

    Al,

    Yes it does happen in real life, too. And that’s part of my point. We rage on the internet, and sometimes even in personal conversation, about everything. And in real life there are some terrible things happening (sometimes related to rage acted upon). Yet, it makes it much more difficult to see those things that may truly need the most attention when everything is a rage. When we spread our rage across everything, it loses whatever effectiveness it may have had.

  6. Michael says:

    Jean,

    The blowback on the Kaepernick rant was brutal.

    Let me tell you all before it happens what we have wrought.
    In the 16th century the polarization was between the Protestants and the Catholics.
    They traded power over certain territories back and forth.
    When one was in power, the punished the other…and so on and so forth.
    Blood was shed and lives were turned upside down with every change.
    We used to be immune to such…but that’s where we’re headed now.

  7. Al says:

    You correctly identify the Dynamic here:

    “When rage becomes a regular thing, people will begin to default to either tuning out the rager (“Oh, there he/she goes again.”) or to rage back at them.”

    However, you are not factoring in that that is how our Modern Society and System works.

    That’s how things get done.

    Civil Rights Movement?

    Gun Rights Battle?

    Black Lies Matter is attempting this.

    Anti-Abortion/Pro-Life Movement?

    Climate Change/Global Warming Agenda?

    Al Sharpton/Jesse Jackson/Race-baiter Agenda?

    Gay Agenda?

    Islamic Refugee Agenda?

    Social Justice Warrior Agenda?

    PC Liberal Agenda to force their “Safe Zones” and Censor Speech?

    Iraq War?

    War on Terror?

    Obamacare?

    Every Election Cycle sense I’ve sucked air on this Planet?

    Church’s Fighting for Freedom of Religion?

    Calvinists Fighting with Arminians?

    Arminians Fight with Calvinists?

    Roger Oakland and the ODM’s?

    All of us on PhxP?

    Me and my blog and my Cause?

    So on and so forth. It’s how things get done in one direction or the other.

    I read the bible, know it forward and backward….it present a duality. God is very Angry, very full of Rage, often…so are his prophets, so is Jesus in some situations. Seems when Jesus comes back on a white horse, he’s really pissed. Full of rage.

    At the same time, there’s the duality and balance of love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness and self control. Yet there is Jesus literally beating the Money Changers, literally cursing out the Pharisees….”God” supposedly tossing folks in a fiery hell of torment forever…God taking “vengeance” etc.

    The yin and yang. I find this article very good, it presents humanity, challenges us to the peaceful side of ourselves. The reality is we are a mix of the two, rage and peace in tandem.

  8. Al says:

    Kevin H, I do agree with that point you are making.

    I am just more and more Deterministic/Hyper-Calvinistic again. I just accept reality. Folks are compelled to do what they do. Folks are going to do what they do.

    It’s a bit of what Dave Rolph lamented last night: He seemed to express that he took on some crusades in his life and the bad guys are still bad and it cost him or something (that seemed to be the gist of it).

    Ya, OK, human beings rage. They also can be very peaceful. We can write articles about it. We can call for calm etc.

    People will do what they do. You’ll never remove humanity from the humans. But, like you, I don’t care about results so much as I care to rage against the machine and call it out! In articles! 🙂

  9. Kevin H says:

    Yes Al, humans will always rage. That will never change. What I’m trying to bring attention to is the current level of rage that our culture is growing accustomed to is not good. It will have detrimental effects. It probably already has.

  10. Michael says:

    I had a first hand encounter with this again the other day at the skatepark.
    There is a woman and her husband who come to ride the bike paths…and they hate the skatepark and the skaters.
    They hate me because I defended some of the skaters once when she thought it good to stand at the fence and scream at them.
    They roll up every day in their SUV with signs plastered on the windows.
    “I”M A CHRISTIAN AND I”M PLAYING MY “TRUMP” CARD”
    I’M A CHRISTIAN AND I VOTE”!
    They wear matching “Make America Great Again” hats.
    She decided to inform me that in two months the world was going to change and she wouldn’t have to deal with people like me and those rotten kids anymore.
    She told one kid that his parents better be documented or he would be skating in Mexico.
    He ‘s a Native American…
    Her messiah has come, I’m still waiting on mine…we’re both hoping our messiahs do something about the opposition.

  11. Richard says:

    today’s post made me recollect the days of the late sixties and early seventies where some of the sayings were “mellow out”, “make love not war”,and “peace brother”.
    what happened ?

  12. Al says:

    Richard, what the heck were you smoking back then? LOL

    The 60’s and 70’s were among the most rage-filled violent tumultuous decades in US history.

  13. Xenia says:

    “Rage” is a passion. In the Orthodox Church, one goal in life, as we head towards union with Christ, is to get rid of passions like rage, anger, jealously, lust, etc. For us, this kind of rage is considered sinful. That doesn’t stop us from raging, but at least we know we are in spiritual trouble when we do so.

    We do not have to be slaves to our passions. We have a choice. If we don’t make the effort to calm them, rage (and other passions) can be so addictive we can only escape with God’s help. Giving in to them will destroy us and our families. If we feed our rage and other passions we will find ourselves far from God and not very much like Christ. We will be consumed.

    Prayer, hiking, gardening and other homely arts are good remedies for calming the passions. TV, the Internet, politics and gossip will feed them. The choice is ours to make.

  14. Michael says:

    I would challenge the notion that this is how things get done.
    Things get done when we identify a problem and rationally come to compromises that address the issue.
    Things do not get done when complete victory is the only option for problems.

  15. Al says:

    “She told one kid that his parents better be documented or he would be skating in Mexico.
    He ‘s a Native American…”

    Hahaha that made me literally spit coffee. OMG. Ya, the hardcore Trump folks are pissed off. They feel they haven’t been heard under 8 years of Obama…and the Obama folks hate the Trump folks etc. Trump is Hitler, Trump is a racist, Trump wants to eat Mexican children and so on.

    All sides are guilty.

    I do agree the Trump folks can be jerks. We’re all jerks.

  16. Al says:

    “I would challenge the notion that this is how things get done.
    Things get done when we identify a problem and rationally come to compromises that address the issue.
    Things do not get done when complete victory is the only option for problems.”

    It’s both from my observation of human history.

    Both work. Both don’t work.

    It’s a mixed bag, as with most things.

    I’ve observed Rage-driven Agendas work very well….seen them fail.

    I’ve observed very peaceful and patient-driven Agendas work very well….seen them fail more often than the Rage-driven Agendas.

    Saul Alinsky rightly observed human nature when he wrote his book, “Rules for Radicals” it is genius. It really is effective. He accurately diagnosed and understood human nature.

    The Marxists/Communists have made major headway following Alinsky’s tenets and principles. It’s very intentional and relies on Rage and motivating people. It’s how the Marxists/Communists have literally taken over the American Political Apparatus today and that Trend is here until the System blows up.

  17. Xenia says:

    Rage may get things done but if you are concerned about your own soul I recommend getting rid of it.

  18. Donner says:

    Rich Mullins: While the Nations Rage…

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8BgIUU2gzVc

  19. Michael says:

    Alex…really.

    The whole Trump campaign is about creating and channeling rage…so I would hardly believe that the “Marxists/Communists” have taken over the political apparatus.

  20. Em ... again says:

    well… i could be wrong, but it occurs to me, as i read this morning’s post, to ponder…
    it is better that the “I have to rage to be relevant” types choose to identify as Christian rather than that they be Muslim in their identity… which is worse, a mouthy demonstration or a suicide belt? … not sure, just pondering… but it would be nice if car bombs had bumper stickers saying “i hate you and will blow you up soon” dunno

    God bless the skateboarders – the good and the bad ones – better to be pushing yourself to feats of balance, risk and skill than to be…. oh – i think i already said something along those lines

  21. Al says:

    “Rage may get things done but if you are concerned about your own soul I recommend getting rid of it.”

    Ya, not saying it’s the Ideal, just is what it is.

    Not sure how you get rid of the sin from the sinner. I don’t know any human who has ever been successful at doing that. Well, except Jesus…who raged at times.

  22. Al says:

    I’m a sinner and I’m compelled to dominate for some reason LOL and I don’t want to hurt Michael’s blog, he’s awesome and this a great place. I said plenty on this subject. Have a great day PhxP peeps!

    We don’t always agree, but I still love you guys.

  23. Em ... again says:

    #19- not sure i agree… i think, in a more subtle way, Hillary affirms and foments just as much…
    trying to think of a reasonable President, who got elected being reasonable… Washington, Eisenhower…? they came into office just after really big expressions of rage enveloped the nation… hmmm… think it would take someone with the power of God, Himself to institute a peaceable Kingdom … 🙂 … dunno … again

  24. Michael says:

    Em,

    Most of the skaters are “bad”.
    I question every day whether I should continue to have Trey among them.
    The drug problem is unbelievable…I see kids with heroin and stolen opiates on a daily basis.
    The bigger problem is that “bad” kids become “bad” adults…and we’re losing a big chunk of the next generation.
    The wall won’t fix that.
    Closing down the park won’t fix that.
    A “Christian” shouldn’t be looking forward to the destruction of perceived enemies…the Christian heart should be broken by the problem.
    I don’t know what to do…

  25. Em ... again says:

    #18
    “I said I did not make it, no it is making me
    It is the very truth of God and not the invention of any man
    I believe it, I believe I believe it, I believe I believe it, I believe it I believe it, I believe it I believe it, I believe it I believe it”
    From “Creed”… Rich Mullins

  26. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    One of 2 things – I either live in a rage free world or I don’t pay attention to the rage of others.

    How all the back and forth about the Kaepernick issue would affect any of us personally is far beyond me. Michael, when you say “The blowback on the Kaepernick rant was brutal” – you mean that metaphorically right? I mean you didn’t stay up at night thinking about it did you?

    People yelling at kids has been going on forever. Old people yelling their hatred at others is as old as the hills. I remember in the early 60s my Jewish grandmother sitting by her kitchen window in the old Fairfax district yelling at any German person walking by (I have no idea how she could pick out the Germans) yelling at them and calling them killers and Nazis.

    Nothing new under the sun.

  27. Michael says:

    Here is what I do know…Xenia’s emphasis on local action makes a difference.

    I can’t do much at the park anymore…I’m too sick to engage like I used to.
    I can’t usually afford to water them like we did.
    I can be present.

    Our church makes up the bags for the homeless and their dogs…I do know they make a difference for the dogs… 🙂

  28. Em ... again says:

    yes, Michael, i know… drugs are creating a sub-culture in our nation that it sometimes seems that those with the power to stop it instead want it to continue… as one of my daughters says, “you can’t reason with crazy”

    the Phnx peeps here need to keep your boy covered with prayer…

  29. Michael says:

    “Michael, when you say “The blowback on the Kaepernick rant was brutal” – you mean that metaphorically right? I mean you didn’t stay up at night thinking about it did you?’

    I have lost a lot of sleep over it.
    Lost some friends,too.

  30. Michael says:

    Em,

    No one has, nor have they ever had, any intention of stopping the drug trade.

    It is far too profitable for too many people…here and in Mexico.

    To think otherwise is simply delusional.

  31. Kevin H says:

    MLD, if you’re able to avoid the rage in the world today, then God bless ya.

    Yes, of course there has always been rage. The point being made is that it has significantly increased in our culture in recent times. I believe the advent of the internet and especially social media has played a big part in helping this to happen.

    Easy tools to broadcast your rage to the world.

  32. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    You lose sleep over bozo comments by a 49er QB and the back and forth after? LOL

    That is a luxury I cannot afford – I have more pressing issues to be concerned with.

    How do you lose friends? I have had discussions – I tell people it’s a free country and an employer cannot make you take loyalty oaths. My friends might say he is unpatriotic … and it is over.

  33. Al says:

    Sorry had to chime back in one more time, then I’m out for the day LOL

    “The point being made is that it has significantly increased in our culture in recent times. I believe the advent of the internet and especially social media has played a big part in helping this to happen.”

    No. You know this, you are just forgetting.

    http://reason.com/blog/2013/03/13/communism-killed-94m-in-20th-century

  34. Xenia says:

    I have lost a lot of sleep over it.
    Lost some friends,too.<<<

    Then Michael my friend, you need to get off the Internet.

    Assuming these people were real friends and not just virtual entities, is this really a topic worth losing even one real friend over?

  35. Michael says:

    MLD,

    The conversations I had went way beyond that.
    You have the luxury of not being a blog owner…I take and I’ve always taken, the responsibility too seriously.

  36. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Kevin H,
    “MLD, if you’re able to avoid the rage in the world today, then God bless ya.”

    I don’t avoid it – I just don’t react. I will give an example – does anyone here really believe that Donald Trump if elected will actually build a 20 foot wall across the border? Of course he will not – so why pay attention to or interact with the rage?

    Is Hillary really going to turn our country over to the socialists etc (fill in the blank of your deepest fear) of course not – so why engage in the rage?

    The only rage I have ad boil over was when the damn Phillies catcher you sent us blew the very first game he caught. 😉

  37. Kevin H says:

    Al, I did know that and wasn’t forgetting.

    When I refer to “our culture”, I am meaning Western or American culture.

    There certainly have been times and places in the world where rage has been really bad and resulted in really bad things happening. But when I look at the overall level of expressed rage in “our culture”, it certainly is significantly worse than 20 or 30 years ago.

  38. Michael says:

    Xenia,

    I wrestle with being online.
    I really wrestle because there are many people who find worth in what we do here…and other people who think I’m a destructive jerk.

    My view has been that wrestling is a good thing…it helps others sort out issues while you sort them out yourself.

    I’m not so sure anymore…

  39. Dallas says:

    I’ll admit that I only did a scan of the comments, so I apologize if someone else brought this question up, but I’m curious if the experience is that the same people are picking up and raging about each issue or whether it’s that we are so hyper-connected that we are confronted with every issue that someone feels is important enough to rage about?

  40. Kevin H says:

    MLD, how dare you blaspheme Carlos Ruiz. Consider yourself lucky, though, that I will hold back my rage. 😉

  41. Michael says:

    Dallas,

    That is an excellent point…

  42. Kevin H says:

    MLD,

    On a serious point, avoiding the rage is probably often a good strategy. However, in some cases, it’s next to impossible to avoid. Sometimes you can be the target of the rage itself. Sometimes even for not getting worked up about the subject that the rager is raging about. The rage is then re-directed to you for not raging about it yourself. This has happened to me.

  43. Kevin H says:

    Dallas,

    You make a good point. And the whole thing becomes a vicious cycle that feeds on itself. We are so interconnected that we do get see everybody’s rage. And when we see someone else’s rage, it can feed a rage into us about said subject. We then rage about the subject which feeds into someone else to rage about it. And that someone else was already raging about something else that others have picked up on. It can be never ending.

  44. Xenia says:

    I am pretty much able to avoid other people’s rages.

    Once I got an understanding for each of the presidential candidates, I quit watching the news.

    I don’t follow angry people on my Facebook page.

    I have a few angry friends in real life but when they hit upon a pet topic, I try to change the subject and if that doesn’t work, I get up and go wash the dishes or something.

    I have limited my participation in the blog world.

    I am not a very good driver so I rarely get angry at other people’s bad driving as I am probably worse.

    So, seldom is heard a discouraging word. 🙂

    A soft answer turneth away wrath.

  45. Al says:

    “it certainly is significantly worse than 20 or 30 years ago.”

    In that Context, agreed. That is a result of the Alinskyites and “Disruptors” work. Obama and Liberals have done a great job Disrupting and the other sides are game to jump in that foray and get muddy with them.

    I have asserted many times that Obama is the most Divisive President we’ve had in our modern era, maybe ever. I do not remember such contentiousness 10, 20, 30 years ago…and it’s not the internet’s fault, it’s intentional Divisive Strategy and Tactics of the Marxist/Socialists doing exactly what “Rules for Radicals” taught Hillary, Obama, etc to do.

    The Trump phenomena is a the Pendulum swinging back the other way.

    I’ve asserted that Trump is more a result of Obama and the Left pushing too hard, too fast and abusing their majority than any other factor.

    Trump is the equal and opposite reaction to the Obama and Liberal Agenda forcing their Agenda and not reaching across the aisle.

    Dangit! Sucked back in. I hope my response is OK.

  46. Michael says:

    Alex,

    It’s not really that complicated or conspiritorial.

    What we have is a huge change in demographics and ideology.
    You really should read the book I keep pushing…”The End of White Christian America”.

    Younger people don’t accept the white, pseudo Christian worldview that has dominated our politics forever.

    I believe this is because the church involved itself too much in partisan politics, but that’s just me…
    By 2024 the turnover will be complete…and when people in power see power slipping away, things can get nasty.

    Thus, things are nasty.

    This change has implications that are both positive and negative… but the change is happening no matter how we assess it.

  47. Jean says:

    Agreeing with Xenia’s #44,

    None of us can sit in a pigsty and not get dirty. So if you hang out among ragers don’t think you’re not going to pick up rage.

    Alex, you can go from writing some fairly intelligent stuff to hooey faster than anyone else I know here.

  48. Dan from Georgia says:

    Michael, do what you need to do but I want you to know that this is the first blog that the proprietor (you) actually welcomed me, and you didn’t judge me when I mentioned some of the musical performers I prefer to listen to, but the canned clones we hear on Christian radio, but the so-called secular ones that I am supposed to shun. You also welcomed me when I too raged at some of the stupidity and phoniness in the Christian culture. For those things I want to thank you Michael for being here. I consider you a friend no matter what!

  49. Michael says:

    Dan,

    Thank you, my friend.
    I think about shutting down a lot and have for a few years.
    However, I usually just take a short leave and come back.

    The fact that I have Jean and Kevin helping out makes it more likely that I’m not going anywhere…

  50. Nonnie says:

    Maybe it’s an age thing, (like MLD) but I don’t feel all that rage some of you are speaking of. I feel passionately about a few things, but most other things I can shrug off. Injustice really bothers me, but it is all around and I do what I can in the circle of influence the Lord gives me and I pray, knowing one day, mercy, justice and truth will be complete.

    I often say that had I not been a Christian, I would have probably become an anarchist, but my hope is not in this world system being fair and just and right. My hope is in Christ and how He is and will work. For now, rage takes up too much energy for this old gal. I think the most rage i express on social media is the “angry”face on FB. 😀

  51. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    I think my reaction to the rage of others may be a function of my age. You get to a point in life where you don’t give a crap about what others think or say. At the say time, when you are circling your wagons, the number of wagons in the circle gets smaller.

    To be honest – when it comes to caring – that gets reserved for pretty much my family alone. Someone doesn’t like a QB not standing for the national anthem? It just will not enter my sphere except as white noise.

  52. London says:

    Maybe just stop looking for things to rage about and start looking for things to praise.
    Quit writing articles about what everyone is doing wrong, thereby contributing to further rage in people, and start looking for things to write about that are positive.

    What you feed, grows.

  53. Dan from Georgia says:

    Danged phone! I meant to say not the clones on Christian radio…whatever…gotta subdue the rage now.

  54. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Although Nonnie is still a lot better looking than me in “older” age – we both nailed it together at 50 & 51 🙂

  55. Jean says:

    MLD,

    It’s against blogging rules to applaud your own comment. 🙂

  56. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Isn’t that like people who ‘like’ there own comments on FB?

  57. Jean says:

    “The fact that I have Jean and Kevin helping out makes it more likely that I’m not going anywhere…”

    And your friend from the OC.

  58. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Perhaps we should poll the ‘ragers’ vs the non ragers by age. I will bet most over 60 have stopped the rage.

  59. Michael says:

    Jean,

    Thank you, I forgot to mention MLD.
    He’s been here so long he’s like part of the furniture.

    He has turned us a good work as well.

  60. Nonnie says:

    MLD’s 58…. Spot on!

  61. Michael says:

    The couple I encounter at the skatepark are well into their seventies…

  62. Steve Wright says:

    MLD, It is less about age and more proportional to experience on So Cal. Freeways. You have to mellow or the stress will get you before you hit 30.

  63. Al says:

    “You really should read the book I keep pushing…”The End of White Christian America”.”

    I already wrote that book in the form of 100’s if not thousands of blog comments LOL

  64. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Steve, you probably have a point.

  65. Erunner says:

    As we get older things change. Our body begins to betray us. With some it’s our minds. We lose family members and friends. Rage we may have carried can simmer and manifest itself in physical and emotional ways.

    We’ve seen and heard a lot. Things continue but the topics change.

    Our focus becomes more personal. There are children and grandchildren to pray for. Things in our cities and neighborhoods become more of a focus as they are areas we can directly impact.

    I’ve become patient waiting in slow lines or driving behind people who don’t have a clue.

    Knowing God deeply in the every day things becomes important. Being kind to strangers becomes more natural.

    At the root of it all we become more aware of the tremendous grace and mercy God has demonstrated to us through the cross. We see ourselves as needing that grace and mercy more and more as well as the peace that He offers us.

    We realize tomorrow isn’t a given. So we get up each day thankful for what we have and hope to pass that on to others knowing full well the trials and tribulations are a part of the life we live.

    It’s funny that the older we get the more we desire an Abba, Father. As Jesus said to His disciples…… John 16:33 I have spoken these things to you so that you might have peace in Me. In the world you shall have tribulation, but be of good cheer. I have overcome the world.

  66. Em ... again says:

    #65 – amen to that
    rage is such a destructive waste of energy – nothing like an aging body to drive that reality home 🙂
    we can and, i think should be angry, about a lot of things (including the insanity of one person in one car commuting at the same time to and from every day – a sure sign of the depravity of man), but – more seriously – pray for our enemies because all these things that produce righteous anger will be dealt with… and thank God that He is “slow to anger”

    Psalm 2 gives a good frame of reference to internalize on this IMHO…

  67. Judy says:

    Michael: I have thought a lot recently about what is happening in this country and woke up last night at 1:30 and spent until 5:30 trying to wrestle with it and find the mind of the Lord for my life in these things. I’ve come to the point where I have to shut out the voices. There are voice everywhere and I believe we are being manipulated and trained and pushed toward civil unrest. I think we are being played by those higher up and that they are using real issues to rile us up and rage us out. And so many are taking the bait.

    It’s hard. I have enough personal issues to deal with without taking on all the filth in the media. It’s gotten old. And it’s not just in the world. The Christian community online is filled with it. Those who should be standing up for righteousness are silent. The sheep are being fleeced financially or otherwise (and willingly in most cases) and the beat goes on.

    If I could get off Facebook, I would, but I have to have my account to handle my company’s pages, so that won’t work. I’m really thinking hard about how I can limit my exposure to the media and avoid the rage. I can see what’s coming, it’s not so hard to understand. I’m doing my best to pull away, not listen, keep my mouth shut, and I am doing my best to hear the Lord about what specifically I should be doing with my time rather than wasting it on this negative crap. And it’s hard.

  68. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    In thinking about this, I don’t know that we are “a nation of rage” – in fact I think we are a nation of apathy. On the hot button issue of elections – what was the turnout for the primaries – 40% at best of those who bothered to register – which may in turn be 20% of the eligible voters — 80% don’t care – or as we say, don’t give a damn.

    Rage? – ever watch the old Jay Leno Jay Walks where they showed people pictures of the president and or the vice president and people couldn’t identify them? or he would ask basic civil questions and people would give the blank stare.

    Nope, I think we have a nation of apathy – only the ragers rage. Ignore the ragers – they are a small minority … no different than the one guy in the office who is always complaining.

  69. Michael says:

    Judy,

    I hear you…
    I’m learning to unfollow certain people…it’s about 25% that make most of the noise.
    Then I try to get off completely over the weekend.
    I watch a lot of cat videos…

  70. Josh the Baptist says:

    I think MLD hits on an interesting point re: the apathy. I think that feeds the rage. It is easier to rage than to actually care about something. If I see injustice taking place, I can get involved, sacrifice, and work for that cause, or I can go on facebook and rant about it until the next cause pops-up.

  71. Owen says:

    Michael,

    Very sorry to hear you have lost friends over what really is just a trivial topic, and I would question what sort of friends they really were. And I echo the sentiments of many here – the older I get, the more I find that a lot of the “issues” aren’t worth nearly the amount of anger we attach to them. There are far better things to be angry about – but the anger needs to be short-lived, and turn into something constructive.

    I will also add that, although I’ve not been here as long as most, I have yet to find you being a “destructive jerk” – I think the worst I’ve seen so far is tired and cranky. Understandable given your illness, I have been there…..I think you hold things together quite well here, and I’m sure a lot of credit for that goes to our Lord . Oh, and likely some credit to your kitties as well. 😉

    And geez, those people at the skate park need to mind their own darn business. What exactly do they think the are accomplising?? That’s just bitterness.

  72. Owen says:

    #70…

    “I watch a lot of cat videos”….

    In our household, we enjoy the Youtube series “Simon’s cat”….lots of good laughs there. 🙂

  73. Michael says:

    Owen,

    Thank you…unfortunately, I was cranky before I got sick. 🙂

  74. Owen says:

    Michael, I am inclined to give you the benefit of the doubt anyway. 🙂

  75. Michael says:

    Owen,

    I confess that this is a big struggle…I’m exhausted all the time.

    It’s good to have someone here who’s been through it…

  76. Al says:

    MLD said, “Ignore the ragers – they are a small minority”

    The Ragers / Alinskyites get stuff done.

    Gay Agenda, Black Lives Matter Race-baiter Agenda, Marxist Agenda, Islamic Refugee Agenda, Illegal Immigrant Agenda, Welfare/Entitlement Agenda, Obamacare Agenda, Climate Change/Global Warming Agenda etc. All Rage-based.

    The loud angry raging Minority has taken over the Silent Majority in the USA.

  77. Al says:

    What you are observing now is the Conservative side realizing they better speak up or they will continue to hand over more and more turf and more and more power to the very motivated and Raging Liberal/Marxists and PC Liberal SJW’s and Left Agenda.

    So, now you’ve got both sides Raging instead of just the Left.

  78. Al says:

    You guys really haven’t read “Rules for Radicals” have you? You really don’t understand how the Left is employing its Strategy and Tactics to the “t” for many decades now, do you?

    It is THE BIBLE for “Community Organizers” and the Liberal Marxist/Socialist Agenda.

    Name a Major Player in Power in the Left/Democrat/Marxist/Socialist Party today….they are students and employ this Bible.

    Obama, Clinton, Holder, Lynch, Sharpton, Jackson, Ayers, Bernie Sanders you name it.

  79. Michael says:

    Alex,

    This is material suitable for your Facebook writings…but not for here.
    I don’t believe that much has gotten done except to divide people in a way unseen since the Civil War…and I believe the consequences will be terrible.

    I want to change that dynamic,not continue it.

  80. Al says:

    ““Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy.” Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty.”

    ““Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.” There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions.”

    ““Keep the pressure on. Never let up.” Keep trying new things to keep the opposition off balance. As the opposition masters one approach, hit them from the flank with something new.”

    ““The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.” Imagination and ego can dream up many more consequences than any activist.”

    “”The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition.” It is this unceasing pressure that results in the reactions from the opposition that are essential for the success of the campaign.”

    ““Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.” Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions.”

    ^^ There’s your Democrat Rules for the last 40 years and especially the last 20 years.

    The Right/Conservatives are onto the Game….and are now pushing back more vocally. Rage is here to stay. It’s the Game the Left initiated and you gotta fight back or the Left will continue to take over.

  81. Al says:

    OK Michael, our posts crossed in cyber-space. Just trying to interject the True Dynamic we are facing with the whole Rage issue.

    Kevin points out the Rage, but I don’t think he nearly understands or accurately describes why it’s here on both sides now.

  82. Michael says:

    Alex,

    We’re done now.
    I’m not going to have this place turn into Facebook.

  83. Owen says:

    Michael,

    I truly understand your struggle, my friend….. quite awhile before I had my surgery, my level exhaustion just kept getting worse, That really brings my mood down, which put a great deal of strain on family relationships.
    Even for a couple years afterwards, I was stll struggling with it.

    If I may ask (or have I before?), are there any plans for taking care of the issue?
    If you’d rather email, I’m up for that.

  84. Michael says:

    Insurance won’t pay to check the aneurism again until November.

    So…we wait.

    I can’t remember the last time I was able to get though a whole day without a nap…maybe when Alex was here.
    My mental faculties are not what they used to be either…
    None of these damn doctors told me I was going to be this worthless…I gave up and filed for disability today.
    Took me days to get that done.
    However, it’s all still better than the alternative. 🙂

  85. brian says:

    Nicely done Kevin thanks for all the hard work on your very helpful articles.

  86. Kevin H says:

    Thanks, brian. I’m glad you find them helpful.

  87. Owen says:

    Gonna state the obvious here, Michael – that sucks. I don’t care what they claim – most medical insurance are not there for the patient. Aneuryisms are nothing to mess around with.

    What was the measurent on it last time?

    I remember the napping days, In fact, if I don’t get regular 8-9 hours sleep now, I start needing naps.

    And I remember being told that “when you get a new valve, you’ll be a new man!” Ha!! My hind foot…..
    Been praying. Much.

  88. Michael says:

    It’s at 4.4.

    Thank you much for the prayers…and helping me understand that is my new normal for now.

  89. Owen says:

    Yeah….new normal….I hear you.

    I am still working on accepting mine. But at least if one knows it, one can work on acceptance.

    I just looked up the standard size for aortic aneurysm repair in the U.S. Unfortunately, it’s 5.5. So my hope would be, given your symptoms (are they worsening?), that come November you may have reached that size, so they’ll be inclined to finally do something about it.

  90. Michael says:

    Some days I’m functional…then there’s days like today. 🙂
    It’s all in God’s hands…

  91. Owen says:

    Yes, it is. And we do trust. Not that it’s easy, sometimes……

    Kevin – my apologies for hijacking your thread….

  92. Kevin H says:

    Owen,

    No apologies needed for “hijacking” the thread. It’s our thread, not my thread. Plus, there are others who are much better at actually hijacking. 🙂

  93. Josh the Baptist says:

    You rang?

    🙂

  94. Kevin H says:

    Josh,

    I wasn’t naming names, but if you want to include yourself, go right ahead! 🙂

  95. Owen says:

    LOL!

    I suppose my hijacking skills are a litle rusty. I’ll watch and learn how a Baptist Hijacker does it. 😉

  96. Josh the Baptist says:

    I know a Lutheran who can also give you some lessons.

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