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  1. Dan from Georgia says:

    Saeed….and charisma news….sigh…

  2. Dallas says:

    The 80% article…

    He talks about the articles that he reads about church growth, I personally refer to that blog as “the blog that must not be named”.

  3. JoelG says:

    Oh Saeed….

    If there’s one thing I’ve taken away from this election season is that some of our brothers and sisters in the Lord are downright kooky.

  4. Dallas says:

    As far as Saeed goes, sure we probably needed to get him out of an Iranian prison, but did we have to bring him all the way back here?

  5. Xenia says:

    From the article on the tomb of Jesus:

    “3. Only one other site has laid serious claim to the tomb of Jesus—the Garden Tomb. It is regarded as authentic by virtually no scholars, and its claim to historicity goes back less than two hundred years (source). It is probably an 8th-7th century BC burial site, and its claim to be Jesus’ tomb is likely motivated by denominational-religious reasons, since Protestants do not have access to the tomb at the Church of the Holy Sepulcher.”

    I remember my CC pastor, when leading trips to Israel, was disdainful of the Church of the Holy Sepulcher tomb and led his group to the Garden Tomb.

    The Orthodox (and Catholics) have all the good sites. 🙂

  6. Dan from Georgia says:

    JoelG…the kooks were also in the comments section of that charisma article.

  7. JoelG says:

    I don’t know much about Charisma magazine. But after seeing an article posted from it by Mario Murillo about “gullible Christians” helping to “kill America” by not voting for Trump, I kind of disregarded it as a reliable source.

  8. Dan from Georgia says:

    …not so much kooks because they support Trump but their reasoning…god hath raised Trump…thankfully there are a few sane voices out there calling out the BS!

  9. Dan from Georgia says:

    JoelG… Sometimes there is a fine line between Charisma news and the Onion/Babylon Bee. Honestly I think people who take Charisma News seriously need to examine their faith.

    And perhaps their brains too.

    Harsh I know.

  10. JoelG says:

    I agree Dan. The problem is is that they feel that way about us too. So how do we remain one with believers we don’t see eye to eye with on on how God works in this world? A lot of grace I guess. Thanksgiving should be fun this year ?.

  11. Dan from Georgia says:

    JoelG- grace is right. I am close to some who believe this stuff. Once went to a Benny Hinn show to see what it was about. Told them later what I thought of it – and I was honest. Gods grace to you at thanksgiving!

  12. JoelG says:

    Thank you Dan. Grace and peace to you as well.

  13. John 20:29 says:

    it was good to read Sarah’s thoughts – the joy of the Lord does give us a song to sing when we stop to think on Him … was thinking about the soul today (and yesterday)… most, not all, but most of our stress and sorrow are imposed on us by what is mortal…
    from the Psalm of Sarah’s post:
    “O Lord, you have brought up my soul from Sheol; you restored me to life from among those who go down to the pit.

    Sing praises to the Lord, O you his saints, and give thanks to his holy name.

    For his anger is but for a moment, and his favor is for a lifetime. Weeping may tarry for the night, but joy comes with the morning.” amen, David (and Sarah) amen

  14. David H says:

    Isn’t Charisma magazine kind of like a Christian version of the National Enquirer?

  15. Dan from Georgia says:

    David H – pretty much. They have thrown Biblical discernment out the window.

  16. Tracey says:

    Oh! The crowing we are going to hear from Saeed, etc. They will raise a pretty penny off their “prophetic accuracy”.

  17. London says:

    Here’s the problem for all you pastors who feel so compelled to preach your right wing politics from the pulpit and from social media….
    There’s a lot of downright scared, heartbroken and grieving people tonight.
    Because of how vocal you have been about your political choices, you are not available to comfort them.
    Please keep in mind that although you may be happy Trump won, many people are stunned and fearful.
    Please keep the gloating to a minimum.

  18. Dan from Georgia says:

    Agreed London. Unfortunately I think many of our so-called Christian leaders who were urging us to vote for Trump will now be gloating and saying “I told you so!”.

  19. JoelG says:

    Exactly London.

  20. Dan from Georgia says:

    And another thing in regard to London’s comment (17). Some (many/most?) of these pastors may think that all their flock members vote Republican, which is rather naive.

  21. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    But this is the same in the liberal churches who keep hawking gay marriage, gender confusion rights etc – and when it is over they assume all their people agree with them – in fact they go as far as to decorated their churches in those multi colored banners and put on their statement of faith they are gay affirming or whatever the term of the day is.

    Folks just need to balls up and be a little tougher in this life. Half are please and half are pissed – and that result would have been the same no matter who won.

    We move on.

  22. JoelG says:

    You’re right MLD. Both sides use the church to take political stands. I’m just shocked how much some hitched their faith wagon to the Trump train. And now they have what they wanted. Have fun with that Frank Graham and the like.

  23. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Joel, I have seen Franklin my church in years 🙂

    None of this will affect my Lutheran church – I doubt the LCMS will wake up and take note either.

    Evangelicals (oh wait, I promised to stop using that term) – Pop American Christianity, well they are a different breed.

  24. Muff Potter says:

    Einstein was wrong. God does play at dice with the universe (Trump win).

  25. Dallas says:

    Took a look at my Facebook feed this morning and didn’t know whether to laugh or scream. People who voted for the guy who ran under the brand of divisiveness and hatred calling for peace and unity.


  26. JoelG says:

    Lol Dallas. So true.


  27. Xenia says:

    I was feeling pretty glum last night (of course, I would feel glum no matter which of the 2 won) but this morning, I woke up feeling quite optimistic. Exile! What an adventure!

    But now I must set aside all the criticism and hope for the best. I must pray that he succeeds in all his godly ideas and fails in all his godless ideas. If he truly is the baby Christian many claim, may his faith grow. So…. no conspiracy theories, no gossip, no more snark from me. God always knew he would win. He is the leader God has evidently chosen for us, either for our benefit or for our chastisement.

    One thing for sure: All those 18 months of talking heads on the cable news- all wrong. I think we can safely ignore them from now on.

  28. JoelG says:

    Good word Xenia. Lord help us to follow this path. Lord have mercy on my resentful heart. 🙁

  29. John 20:29 says:

    #24 – it may seem that the god of chance has dealt us a low blow, but truth be told, we have to like sausage to live in a democracy… as long as the Republic holds together (who knows how long that will be in this changing world), we’ll be dining on sausages seasoned by those guys in the kitchen called Washington D.C. – not all of whom are elected by we the people by a long shot

    what’d she just say? i dunno 🙂

  30. London says:

    Thanks Dan and Joel.
    I was up late last night talking with a friend in the UK and my Candian friend working at a relief organization in Iraq. Both of them are stunned and scared about what we have done.

    I personally feel scared, confused and sad.
    It almost feels like the culture shock I felt as an expate after living in a different country for a while.

    I was not a Hillary support, although I did vote for her. I was definitely anti-Donald and everything he, with his own mouth, said he stood for.

    I have voted in every election, I’ve been active in campaigns, worked the polls and believe in democracy as the voice of the people. I just can’t believe that the people have chosen to say what they are saying.

    I’ve never felt the things I’m feeling now after any election before. I do know that for many who are grieving, the church is the last place they can go for comfort. That’s sad to me too.

  31. JoelG says:

    London im glad we have this “refuge” to come and read and express. Peace to you my friend. And to your friends overseas.

  32. Em ... again says:

    London, i am so very sorry that you feel scared, confused and saddened by this election… you reminded me of a very dear nun i once knew who wore herself out trying to make things better for those disenfranchised souls where she was assigned to work… she finally said/affirmed that Scripture says that the poor we will ALWAYS have with us (not sure where that is in the Book)… the ugly actors and the ugly words that are attached to the last Presidential campaign are, i think, just that – actors and words and we’ll rise above them
    folk like you and Sister R will keep doing what you’re doing and affirming the heart of the God we worship – God knows you get tired and, with reason, discouraged – our Lord really didn’t want to take the cup assigned to Him, if there was any other way did He? ( Matt 26:39 )
    i apologize for sermonizing – you are in my prayers

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