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  1. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    UGH! another article about millennials and nones? Weren’t most of us alienated from the church for one reason or another at their age? I didn’t take religion serious until I was 32.

    All I can say is that if Andy Stanley (mentioned in the article) and Francis Chan are the ones “reaching” these people, it is a false conversion as there is nothing Christian about either of them.
    They are a young person’s Elk’s Club with a T on the top of their building (and I really do doubt either Stanley or Chan display a cross — but I don’t know.)

    The millennials and the nones – especially those who were raised in the church, need to be left lying in the pig slop until they realize that they may have had it better in their earlier years.

    But hey, that’s just my take on the topic. 🙂

  2. The New Victoir says:

    From the Incel article: Too often, the church prizes what I’ve heard called “Family Values Christianity.” It sets marriage and parenting up on a pedestal, organizing church life around the family. While this is well-intentioned and the church should meet the needs of the family, it unfortunately also often isolates single folk. It treats them as not-yet-adults, people who have something missing without a spouse or children.

    It’s been talked about here. I think churches should encourage family, yet forget that Paul advises for Christians to say single if they can and even Jesus mentioned those who have made themselves “eunuchs” for the sake of the Kingdom of Heaven.

    Sunday, a young woman came up to me and complimented me on how cute my wife and kids were. My ex is married to another and has been for almost 3 years, yet she still brings the kids to church on her Sundays (which is nice of her, I never asked her to). So many in the church think that I am either a single dad of two little kids, or married with an intact family.

    Younger women with kids but no husbands are too young. And the single ladies seem to be >10 years elder to me. Most (all?) my age seem to be married.

  3. Babylon’s Dread says:

    Progressivism is man-centered. It gets revelation from human experience and desires it will die because it is intrinsically mortal and cannot produce life in the Holy Spirit.

    In politics it will ultimately produce what it claims to hate, coercive repressive governance.

    Coercive (fundamental) theocracy and coercive (progressive) democracy are twin devils.

  4. Babylon’s Dread says:

    Some of us liked the royal wedding purely for the symbolism and the liturgy that intrinsically proclaims covenantal theology and union with God through Christ. The beauty simplicity and modesty of the bride loudly rebuked the whorish look of weddings where the bride gets married in her bedroom attire.

    The glory of the whole matter was the faces. Knowing the Gospel means proclaiming king Jesus and inviting the bride to come forth. It does not mean preaching platonic views of afterlife.

    The wedding was fabulous. The homily was partial and fine as it was and it was truncated but it was not the whole matter. Evangelical error is thinking the message is the homily alone.

  5. Jim says:

    Three posts in a row with erroneous gun-related content. I’m biting my tongue, but you’re bringing a dull knife to a gun fight…

  6. Michael says:


    You don’t have to hold your tongue.
    I gather these things over the space of a few hours and post them because I think they’re worth interacting with, not because I necessarily agree with them.
    To be blunt, I don’t even read most of them other than skimming them briefly.

    I’m frankly dead tired of the of the debate and think both sides have lost any sense of balance or desire for solutions.

    This ain’t my hill to die on…

  7. Kevin H says:

    The Throckmorton link (the link about GFA) no longer works because Throckmorton is apparently no longer blogging at Patheos. His new blog address is:

  8. Jim says:

    Ok. I hate the NRA and I hate the way the left lies about this issue.

    If school shootings are a crisis, then drowning or choking on food are epidemics.

    The inconvenient truth is that schools are safer than in the 90’s, including school shootings.

    I have no desire for balance, because I’m a 2A absolutist. The solutions I believe in cause progressives to clutch their pearls and get the vapors.

  9. Jim says:

    “There is no “school safety” crisis in the U.S.; only a gun violence epidemic that consists primarily of suicides, accidents, and single-victim homicides committed with handguns”

  10. JIm says:

    “Fridel and Fox used data collected by USA Today, the FBI’s Supplementary Homicide Report, Congressional Research Service, Gun Violence Archive, Stanford Geospatial Center and Stanford Libraries, Mother Jones, Everytown for Gun Safety, and a NYPD report on active shooters. Their research also finds that shooting incidents involving students have been declining since the 1990s. Four times the number of children were killed in schools in the early 1990s than today, Fox said.”

  11. Michael says:


    I think you know me well enough that you know I neither own pearls or get the vapors.

    I don’t give a hoot in hell if schools safer than at some comparable time in history…one school shooting is a crisis in my book and however many we’ve had is irrelevant.

    I wouldn’t consider myself progressive, but I do have a kid in school who I worry about every day.

    I also consider myself a supporter of the Second Amendment, though I think it’s importance in regard to the rest of the Constitution is greatly overblown.

    You are more than welcome, encouraged even, to express your opinions.

    If you want people to listen who disagree with you, you might want to drop the attitude and the pejoratives.

  12. John 20:29 says:

    Anyone who thinks that elimination of school shootings and gun violence will solve the nation’s problems needs to look a little deeper or a little longer at the world we’re living in… IMNSHO

    From my vantage point here on the sidelines i would say that drug use and the glorification of depraved human behavior in the entertainment industry (the real world for.most) are where our sorrows foment today

    We’re up here in the lower elevations of the Cascade mountains. The nearest town is 45 minutes away … And metropolitan “civilization” is 2 1/2 hours away. Folks around here are outdoors oriented and the favorite walking path is a forest service backroad. Last week a group of meth heads had set up camp 1/4 mile up that road. But, i suppose if they decide to visit the “midnight stores” and someone defends their stuff with a deer rifle, we’ll bemoan the gun violence…. sigh

    Haven’t read the link to God hating gun violence yet, but that seems rather obvious at first glance. There are a lot of things God hates. Would gun violence be at top of His list? Sometimes, i guess…

  13. jim says:


    I don’t consider you to be a progressive either.

    I don’t need anyone to listen to me, as I have no hope of changing anyone’s mind. As the articles (which were written by gun control advocates) pointed out, the left is lying. That’s my only point today.

    I would request as a friend that you don’t allow your OP writers to repeat lies.

  14. Michael says:


    The right lies continuously about immigration.
    I’ve stopped pointing out that they are doing so, in favor of just telling the truth.

    I haven’t changed many minds, I’m compelled to speak anyway…

  15. Jerod says:

    Loved the article about the divide between progressive and historic christianity.

    what side would everyone here fall on if they had to choose?

    as for myself, I’d like to say I fall on the historic side.

  16. Michael says:

    I fall on the side that thinks binary thinking is for small minds…

  17. Jerod says:

    ooo thats cold. Predictable, cold, and off topic. If you HAD to choose…

    Maybe straddling the middle is useful if you have no spine… 😉 one smart remark deserves another

  18. Michael says:


    In my tradition I’m considered very conservative.
    Your tradition would call me a wild eyed liberal.

    I don’t think labels are useful unless they’re contextualized…and even then a binary approach will limit understanding.

  19. WenatcheeTheHatchet says:

    saw the 410 notice. Throckmorton wrote he was notified that his blogging no longer matched the strategic goals of Patheos

  20. Duane Arnold says:

    Sorry if I doubled… posting a bit strange today.

  21. Jim says:

    Not sure if you doubled, but you’re doubling down. The WaPo article is going after the broadest definition possible tactics of gun control advocates, which includes your CNN list.

    I mean, really….

    “April 9: Gloversville, New York
    A student shot another student with a BB gun in Gloversville Middle School.”

    Stick to your guns, Duane.

  22. Anon says:

    If you want people to listen who disagree with you, you might want to drop the attitude and the pejoratives.

    I agree.

    Mr. Know-it-All. Always a pain in the a*s.

  23. Duane Arnold says:

    “Stick to your guns, Duane.” I do… and I have, in both senses.

  24. Jim says:

    Sorry Anon. My solutions really would offend progressives, but I didn’t have to be so indelicate.

  25. Michael says:

    Added some links that aren’t about guns… 🙂

  26. The New Victor says:

    Democrats are not converting en masse to Hinduism or Buddhism.

    Most Indian immigrants who gain citizenship join the Democratic party… which I find strange as they seem to project that US society is as illiberal as Indian.

    Vietnamese immigrants, overwhelmingly Buddhist, tend to join the Democrat party as well, except for those who were Vietnam War refugees, who tended to lean Republican (because they knew who sold them out and sided their enemies who stole their homes, murdered their families, and put them in prison camps). But there are less and less of those compared to the newer generations.

  27. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    I love it – the Red Letter Christians version of a gospel revival meeting is to protest Trump and Liberty U.
    What a bunch of pukes – they are no more Christian than what they protest.

    But to be fair, I am not much of a gospel revival guy and think they are all fake – except the Gospel revival that happens each week at the communion rail on your knees.

  28. Josh The Baptist says:

    I think New Victor would have problmes qualifying any of his statements from 28.

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