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  1. Em says:

    Praying like a man falling down stairs?
    Yes, i think sometimes all we can manage is, “Oh, God.” I think God knows and honors any honest cry. .. Like a sheep bleeting, like a child crying… He hears and knows… poor sheep, poor child….

  2. Babylon's Dread says:

    The SBC is again embroiled in controversy. Not just the sex abuse scandal, apparently there is division over the application of critical theory. You’ve probably reported on it before here but I missed it. Mohler who was a key player in the 1980s insurgence is now the liberal. I don’t think the conservative side has changed much other than the robust calvinism that Mohler help infuse. It is the problem of race.

    So now Mohler leads an organization that has a history of racist intent. Under critical theory there is no removal of the stain. So SBTS is perpetually guilting of her original sin. Mohler has had to be a statesman and navigate ‘racial reconciliation’ in an environment that is increasingly hostile to such efforts as being intrinsically patriarchal and white supremacist. So he tries to make room for critical theory as an analytical tool.

    The SBC rammed through a resolution taking an accommodationist perspective in 2019. Now that idea is biting them in both directions. So Mohler is in Louisville, the current nexus of blood guilt, and he is trying to avoid being called a bigot and white supremacist and he is in a position that is either/or.

    So he seems to have chosen to cut off the conservative wing, upon which he flew in.

    So glad I was vomited out.

    Singed but Saved Dread

  3. bob1 says:

    I found this link from the Xn nationalism article to be interesting.

  4. Jean says:

    One does not need to engage in critical race theory to comprehend the following:

    “Mostly obviously, Roman slavery was in no sense racial β€” race as such not being an existing category in the ancient world. Further, Roman slaves sometimes held positions of power and respect in the broader community and often could expect emancipation at some point, followed by a life relatively free from the stigma of slavery β€” one in which they might achieve prominence, wealth, and success. In America, emancipation was a rare event, inevitably leading to a tenuous second-class existence in a society which did not so much promote as simply presume white supremacy.” – Fr. Mark Perkins

    Even an armchair theologian gets it.

  5. Em says:

    Too many mothers?
    Hadn’t thought about it, but our birth into God family doesn’t require a mother.. .. Some good nurturing teachers, maybe, but no mommies…..

  6. bob1 says:

    I like Tim Keller’s piece on Xns and politics a lot. Well reasoned and moderate.

    He also points to some of the paradoxes. A lot like the RCC, whose official stances are quite liberal on some issues and conservative on others.

    Maybe like the early church, we really don’t fit anywhere. πŸ™‚

  7. bob1 says:

    I meant to end it with, “And that’s probably how it should be.”

  8. Em says:

    Fit? Yes, that IS probably how it should be…….

  9. Babylon's Dread says:

    As an armchair theologian I get it when sweeping generalities are used – even when I use them.

  10. Jim says:

    That Keller piece was from 2018. It seems that he like to weigh in before elections. Douglas Wilson had some interesting push back to Kellers recent tweets.

  11. Michael says:


    It was reposted because the truly Reformed have been attacking Keller continually.
    Douglas Wilson is a pig. and pedophile protector.

  12. Jim says:

    The other Jim. I looked in recent comments and thought I was losing it. ” I didn’t comment, did I?”.

  13. Thanks for posting my piece, “Why I Am No Longer a Baptist.”

    And to Jean, above, for quoting my other piece, “Al Mohler, Slavery, and the Bible.

    (FWIW, I’m not actually obsessed with Mohler! The runaway-slave thing came across my Twitter feed and caught my eye, as I was at the time teaching a course on interpreting those very texts; as a First Things subscriber, I saw Mohler’s Baptist piece and it resonated with my former Baptist self.)

  14. Em,

    St. Cyprian would disagree: “No one can have God as Father who does not have the Church as Mother.”

  15. Jean says:

    Fr. Perkins,

    I like the way Rev. 12 portrays the Church as Mother.

  16. Jim says:

    The “crave controversy” article was really good. Managing a 208 unit condo community in Florida, I deal with this daily. Drama seems to be an addiction for many people.

  17. Em says:

    Fr. Perkins, since the Church should be nurturing, one could say that describes a mother’s role, but….
    Family and Body of Christ seem to be more Scriptural…. ?

  18. Em says:

    Uhh, Jean,
    Doesn’t Rev. 12 describe the Jewish people? Not the best of mothers in this instance…
    but then i don’t read Scripture through a Lutheran lens… ?

  19. Jean says:

    β€œDoesn’t Rev. 12 describe the Jewish people?”

    No, it doesn’t. Not a Lutheran lens.

  20. Xenia says:

    God is our Father and the Church is our Mother.

    Some folks have run away from home!

    In a spiritual sense, St. Mary (the Theotokos) is also our Mother.

    Lot’s of mamas and a real blessing for those of us who grew up in difficult circumstances.


  21. bob1 says:

    I also thought the”crave controversy” piece was really good. Walker Percy is a novelist to cherish. If you like good literature, his book “Lost in the Cosmos” is a gem.

    Whenever I think of this ‘craving,’ The Drudge Report comes to mind. Can’t help but wonder if he has some connection to the dispensational world. Both tend to be overly apocalyptic and alarmist, IMHO. πŸ™‚

  22. Em says:

    If one wishes to see the Church as “mother,” that is your prerogative . . A working definution? … But…..
    Does God so define the Church?

  23. It’s true that Scripture does not explicitly establish the Church as Mother. The two primary images of the Church in St. Paul are as the Body of Christ and the Bride of Christ (which is why the Church is the true fulfillment of the “one flesh” language of marriage in Genesis 2). I don’t think it’s much of a stretch at all to see that individual Christians as the children or offspring of that union. And the frequency with which you find the Church referenced as Mother by the Church fathers suggests that this is a proper reading.

  24. Em says:

    I appreciate so many honest AND reverant explanations of viewpoints born out of our Faith
    God keep all close and fill our hearts with sanctified love for all who love our Lord

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