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  1. Babylon's Dread says:

    Just the titles send me into agony this week. I might have to fast participation.

  2. Michael says:

    Lots of numbers this week… 🙂

  3. em says:

    🙂 noticed the numbers, too

    that Evangelical’s list of heretics is ridiculous! but it does show that even our leaders can ponder things that they ought to just keep to themselves IMHO – again

    the mormons have mastered the corporate model

  4. Paige says:

    Thanks, I think….:-) Have only begun reading the links…. The WW on membership contracts make me want to contact our former Baptist church and ask to be removed from membership….. and, frankly, never go to “church” again.

  5. em says:

    Janet Mefferd is a quick read that i give two arthritic thumbs up …

  6. “You just keep asking yourself the same question: ‘How do we get back to that?'”
    That’s a question the entire CCM industry is asking itself.”

    The “glory days” of CCM (& CC) are just what we need to think of wistfully, but leave behind to press forward into new art, new writing, new adventures, new inventions.

    I envision honest songwriting and performances connecting with audiences on a more organic and grassroots level.

    Spiritual struggles are personal, individual and leave more questions asked than can be neatly answered with pseudo certainty. This needs to be part of the greater celebration of life and I am glad we’re leaving our gathering of the tribes to require our art to be real.

    On to the beauty of the new bloom to fill the new wineskin.

  7. David says:

    Had an online discussion about the CCM article, mostly with people who grew up listening to the stuff back in the 90s. Some conclusions we had (in relation to the article):

    – It ignored that the entire music industry has all but collapsed, and CCM included.

    – CCM was bought out by these same labels decades ago, tying their fortunes together.

    – Labels aren’t as necessary in the world of online distribution.

    – It shouldn’t be that big a surprise a band from 20 years ago is largely forgotten today. That’s the nature of pop music across the board.

    – Most of the kids heavily supporting CCM grew up and realized (barring some notable exceptions), their friends’ “secular” music was generally better. Why pretend Point of Grace was cool when your friends were jamming to Spice Girls and TLC?

    – Same kids grew up and realized that there’s nothing wrong with loving “Secular” music, and it didn’t lead them into drug-induced teen pregnancy like their youth leaders told them it would.

    – CCM Radio has been lame since the beginning.

    – CCM is worship music now. Heavily commercialized worship music. Saw a band connected with a big megachurch selling tickets upwards of $30 in the name of a “worship experience.” Sin.

    – We all miss Rich Mullins, and realize that the CCM industry would never, ever let that that guy near a contract today.

  8. Bob says:

    Who killed the CCM Industry?

    The article answered the question no one is asking, “The descent of CCM is a reflection of America’s waning interest in Christianity as a whole.”

    Also the whole industry was based on we baby boomers who got saved in the late sixties and early 70s. We were looking for alternatives to our rock with its hard core lyrics and along comes CCM. (We even had an alternative for KISS, spandex and all) Of course we tried to make our children listen to this “good” music and keep them from the likes of M & M while at the same time secretly listening to our favorite classic rock.

    Our children grew up, stole music form the internet, stopped listening to FM radio in favor of their iPods and now as adults good clean wholesome music is Zac Brown (his band is good, oops no one is good, they have a great sound). And they discovered in all our divorces, we had no real answers to why gay sex is bad and the churches we founded play all that dumb stuff each week and call it worship.

    This generation just doesn’t listen anymore to CCM. Why should they? (their parents don’t either)

  9. Bob says:


    You do know Rich Mullins died in a car crash in 97? Oh and he didn’t think it was cool to wear his seat belt, karma strikes.

  10. Jim says:

    It’s correctly said that CCM died as the record industry died, unless you’re Taylor Swift.

    I have no idea how record companies make money, but bands make money touring. Back in the day, tours lost money, and were done to sell albums.

    Van Halen toured for a year after their debut, and returned owing their record company $2 million and another album. Dave Lee makes $0.06 per album from sales of their first two records, and $0.08 from the next four albums. That was a big money deal compared to today.

    Today it’s about butts in seats, and CCM could never compete.

  11. j2theperson says:

    Does it matter why CCM died? Why not just be grateful that it did. :/

  12. em says:

    #11 …. 😆 🙂

  13. em says:

    “Spiritual struggles are personal, individual”… we forget that, i think, when we’re trying to fit into some sort of Christian group-think… pseudo certain neat answers? 🙂

    that said, One on one, from God’s mind to our hearts? there are moments of certainty

    Rich Mullins must have had something to offer… i found a quote from his lyrics that i used in a romance novel that i wrote for my, then pre-teen granddaughters, a few years ago

  14. Xenia says:


    My youngest son is a songwriter and a lead singer for a popular CCM band whose latest CD made it to #1 on the Gospel/ Christian music chart last year. (I’m not going to name the band.) As the article noted, it’s all worship music. I’m not crazy about CCM but I am proud of my son.

    He and I have had some long, thoughtful conversations about the Christian music biz. He is of the opinion that the ability to download recorded music for pennies has ruined the recording industry, both secular and religious. Even as the writer of a best-selling song, he makes very little money as a musician. Maybe that’s how it should be.

  15. Xenia says:

    I remember when I taught at a evangelical high school, all the kids labeled themselves by the type of CCM they preferred. It seemed to me that their entire Christian experience was based on following their favorite bands. I feared that when they were out of their parents’ houses and could listen to whatever music they liked, their Christianity would go in the dust bin along with the Switchfoot CDs. And I am sorry to report that this was often the case.

  16. Xenia says:

    I do listen to my son’s band in the car. It’s all “God is great, I want to love Him more” etc. Not suitable for a liturgical service but pleasant enough in the car.

  17. Babylon's Dread says:

    I don’t care who calls me a heretic unless they have the power of the sword.

    Anabaptist Dread

  18. Pilgrim says:

    1) Mainstream CCM has become rather small. Looks like KLOVE is trying to become a vertical monopoly controlling radio, concerts, award shows, etc.

    2) In the Midwest at least, there are still some healthy things going on. The Cornerstone Festival shutdown a few years ago, but just heard about it’s equivalent, AudioFeed Festival. The band list is pretty overwhelming:

    Flatfoot 56, War of Ages, The Choir, The Soil & The Sun, My Epic, The O.C. Supertones, Burlap to Cashmere, Kevin Max, Waterdeep, Take It Back, Sean Michel, Phinehas, Glenn Kaiser Band, The Ember Days, Silent Planet, The Altar Billies, The Wayside, Levi The Poet, The Burial, Michael Roe, Household, Von Strantz, Fever Fever, Comrades, Rimbre, Mr. Nasti, Spoken Nerd, Jawbone, Narrow/Arrows, Owen Pye, Ami Moss & The Unfortunate, Jason Barrows, The Scurvies, Conveyer, Debtor, Sick/Sea, American Wolf, Mouth of the South, Strengthen What Remains, Cantalouper, Lessons, Destroy Nate Allen, The Orphan, The Poet, Grave Robber, Harry Gore, Mike Stand, Ravenhill, Great Awakening, Chin Up, Noah James, Lauryn Peacock, Keyoung, Jonni Greth, In Exile, Upsetter, Tigerwine, Dwell, Reckless Mercy, Good Thief, Muir, Sea Cycles, Trouper, Jonathon Hape, Captiva, Analecta, Exegisis, Honey/Suck, New Heart, Aracely, Dale J. Gordon, Quiet Entertainer, Fairseas, Get in the Ark, Together in Dust, Annalisa, Bethany Hansen, Poured Out, The Reverend Kat Jones, Adjy, Nathan Stiteler, Spirit & The Bride, The Still, Small Voice, Keep Quiet, Hushpad, Nick Bifano & The Innocents, Christine Glass Byrd, This Heart, Leper, Jeff Ebel + Ping, Dale Jordan, Justin Kalem Drigers, Ilia, Orion Walsh, Insomniac Folklore, Verus The Victor, Ghost Key, John Davey, Papertowns, Carev Dvor, Kingfishers, Church Tongue, Frank Viola, Preston Sprinkle

    3) I think one of the reasons that worship music has become so popular with the artists is the CCLI fees they get paid if they can get a song sung in the churches.

    4) As the cost of copying music has become so low, musicians essentially only get paid while touring. Music has gone full circle as in the olden days, before the recording industry existed, musicians only got paid for live performances.

  19. Bob says:

    Xenia wrote:

    “Even as the writer of a best-selling song, he makes very little money as a musician. Maybe that’s how it should be.”

    At least it’s a real test of one’s passion and desire to write and produce music (or anything).

    Have you ever asked him about the piracy issues?

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