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  1. London says:

    Thanks for posting the link about “the poor”.
    Never heard of that guy before, need to check his writing out further.

  2. Michael says:


    I was going to basically write the same article myself this week,so the guy saved me a ton of time…

  3. Babylon's Dread says:

    The irony of a guy named Ham building a modern ark grabs me.

  4. Babylon's Dread says:

    Where have all the baptists gone …

    Not a specific word about the charismatic exodus?

  5. Dallas says:

    Where do southern baptists go?

    The seems to be a split in that chart. I would wonder if the “other Baptist” and “other evangelical” are just a matter of brand differentiation. At least around here if you are to send me in blind to those three classifications, I would have a hard time telling the difference. Also, as I’ve mentioned here before, it took me over a year to find out that I was even in an SBC church… it just really wasn’t advertised around here.

    The lower options really seem like a more concrete running away from the SBC.

  6. EricL says:

    Good bye to Roger Olson… well at least good bye to his blog. Even though I didn’t always agree with him, I thought his sharp opinions gave some great fodder for Linkathon discussions.

    I appreciated his bold stance for Arminianism, when so many other leaders have tried to paint this huge section of Protestantism as being questionable if not heretical.

  7. WenatcheeTheHatchet says:

    There’s been a distinctly Cold War anti-Marxist application of “the poor you will always have with you” that has arguably reached its shelf-life. 🙂

  8. Nonnie says:

    “When fading away becomes “done” article was sad. I can understand how difficult it could be for a single, older woman to make her way in a new church.
    Older women are invisible in our culture.

  9. Ryan Ashton says:

    I did not like the thoughts expressed in “Must I Join a Church to be Christian?” Not a work about abuse, spiritual or otherwise. I often feel like articles such as Mr. Robinson’s purposefully overlook people in my situation, where going back to the very thing that’s harmed me does more damage.

    Now, BJU does require I go to a church on Sunday, and even have people go through each room and look in the closets to make sure people aren’t hiding or still in bed. So I have essentially been forced to go. (And there are certain churches blacklisted.)

    But if I were to have it my way, I wouldn’t be going at all. Knowing and being friends with Christians is nice, and sharing life with them is essential, but being lectured to for forty-five minutes and then leaving while families file out to have lunch with each other and I go back alone to wherever it is I came from has never struck me as a particularly valuable use of time, energy, gas, and—most important of all—hope.

  10. Xenia says:

    Keeping Christianity Strange….

    My professor told me about the time he was in some Orthodox pastoral conference and they were talking about ways they could make Orthodoxy more accessible to outsiders. They suggested this and that and then my professor said No! Keep Orthodoxy strange! Let it remain completely different from every other organization on the face of the earth! Let it remain peculiar!*

    *Or words to that effect.

  11. Em ... again says:

    read the first link and thought, “don’t they go to heaven, like the rest of us?” been too busy for my age lately and my brain is fried… however…

    re: the poor from the article linked: “I reckon Jesus actually meant the OPPOSITE of what we usually take him to mean here. It seems to me that Jesus was actually advocating generosity and action to eradicate poverty, rather than hands-up-in-the-air, shoulder-shrugging apathy.” was Jesus advocating eradication of poverty? i don’t think so…
    yes, he was advocating generosity… but a buck in the beggar’s cup isn’t what he had in mind IMV …
    furthermore, i seem to remember something about the early Church pooling their assets – sharing equally – but wasn’t there an admonition – those who don’t work, don’t eat?
    could be wrong on that
    yes, i know we have a very hard working poor among us today and we must do everything we can to make sure all have food and shelter… BUT,
    with regard to the folk who are completely down and out – the ones that have been licked by life’s cruelties?
    what is wrong with them doing a little work around town? to restore to them a tiny bit of self worth and a way to say thank you?
    to contribute what you can even when you, yourself, need help? is that demeaning? i don’t think so… the alcoholic with the missing teeth and the tin cup can’t be of any help to us? i bet if we set our minds to it, that there is – i bet they have stories to tell and some wisdom, too… toss a few coins in his cup by all means, but as you walk on by, don’t feel like you’ve done your Christian duty … or so it seems to me today – dunno –
    maybe i’m confusing Christianity and social work … dunno, do i?

  12. Jean says:

    “Traditional Southern Baptist Churches and Reformed Pastors – They Go Together Like Oil and Water”

    This article brings a few thoughts to mind from previous discussions.

    (1) Even though there is a traditional Baptist Confession of Faith, I’ve been informed by my SBC brothers that it has been for all intents and purposes abandoned as the doctrinal backbone of most SBC congregations. If, they hadn’t abandoned their Confession, the problems described in the article would not be significant.

    (2) The Bible teaches that Christ is the head of the Church. The purpose of the 3 ecumenical creeds and the Confessions of the Reformed Traditions (I’m not sure about EO) and the RCC are to place Christ at the head and preserve the apostolic faith. In other words, a local pastor must submit to the creeds and Confession of his church. Again, if the SBC churches held to their Confession and recognized the creeds, they probably would not be suffering the types of doctrinal divisions described in the article.

    One reason I became a Lutheran is because Lutheran pastors have no entreprenerual authority and no flexibility to add to or subtract from the apostolic faith that the Lutheran Chruch confesses. They are to deliver Christ’s gifts as a servant of the Word, and that is it…period. It is hard to fathom how people are willing duped by pastors who are publicly teaching that Brexit is some sort of eschatological event. This shows just how far the religion that goes by the name of Christianity has gone from what Jesus and the apostles preached.

  13. Jean,
    The issue is that the American church refuses to preach Jesus Christ and him crucified to the Church and for the church. At best, in an evangelical church you will here about Jesus for the lost and stories of Jesus and the lost – testimonies by the former lost — but you will never here Jesus Christ for those saved folks in the pew – that is all past action – history.

    So, they will talk about anything else.Watch TBN – they speak about Satan much more than they talk about Jesus and if the speak to the Christian, it is always using the old testament.

    I guaranty look on you tube, do a search of your favorite CC or SBC type church – and you will not hear the pastor preaching Jesus TO the church.(somebody – find me your favorite guy – preaching Jesus, not about Jesus.)

    That is why Brexit is the topic of the day – and it will be something else next week.

  14. em’s Feeling the Bern. 🙂

  15. Dallas says:

    Ryan, I’m pretty sure they do purposefully overlook those situations. Though they would probably be the first to fall back on the crutch that there is no perfect church… the image they put forward of the church that you must join us their ideal of what a church looks like. They probably think their own church looks that way…

  16. Dan from Georgia says:

    Ryan Ashton (post #9), your comments make me feel sad and I feel for you. I was single until my early 40s, and boy oh boy do most churches really make single older men feel special and welcome!!


    I know what it’s like to feel nearly invisible in church because I am not married w/children.

    Anyways, I think fellowship is important (church membership not important IMV). My wife and I have had a hard time finding good fellowship here in GA, mainly because my job requires me to work on Sundays sometimes, but also because we ran into, well, some flat out bad churches and pastors. And funny it seems that you can’t throw a rock without hitting a goofy church/pastor here in the Bible Belt.

    My wife and I are slowly working our way back into fellowship at a Presbyterian Church, and it feels great to have people that care for us. I will pray for you to find meaningful fellowship!

  17. Peter J. Leithart’s article “Too much Bible” was right on … as are all of his articles..
    A couple of comments caught my attention.

    1.) “The premise, sometimes stated explicitly, is that Evangelicals have had too many biblical scholars, not enough historical theologians.” – it made me wonder, do evangelicals, especially of the independent type like CC even dip their toe into historical theology? Is it even offered in the Bible colleges or the Schools of Ministry?

    2.) “Evangelical theologians do of course employ Scripture, but I daresay there is more, and more profound, biblical exposition in Barth than in most Evangelical systematic theologies. I daresay that Scripture was theologically formative for Barth in ways that few Evangelical theologians can match.” and yet the evangelical, if they even know Barth consider him a liberal – someone to stay away from.

  18. Re MLD’s #13

    Not in our church, We focus on the Gospel for the lost as well as the Gospel for the redeemed.

    Hmmm, Maybe we aren’t evangelical? More like Gospelcentrical. 🙂

  19. Owen says:

    So, I read the article about “the poor you have with you always”.

    I find myself wondering where he got the idea that those reading Jesus’ words are jumping to the conlusion of “give up the fight” against poverty.

    “This verse is often used as an attempt to take the wind out of all the rest of Jesus’ commands to work for justice and to love mercy.”

    Am I missing something? I’m not meaning to rail on the author, I thought it was a well-written article. But is that attitude really that prevalent? Because when I read that passage, I read it to mean ” I (Jesus) will not always be here. The poor will be. And you (Judas, and everyone else) will have endless opportunites to help them.”

    I read with interest the author’s reference to the Torah. I’m no Bible scholar, but it makes sense to me that Jesus would reference that in His response. I just don’t get how anybody reading the passage where Jesus said “the poor you will have with you always” could take that to mean that trying to help the poor is not worth it, which seemed to be the premise the author was writing against.

    Please correct me if I’m wrong, I may be. But I don’t see the point of the article, only because I don’t understand where he’s coming from. I agree with him, except for his beginning.

  20. “We focus on the Gospel for the lost as well as the Gospel for the redeemed.”

    If it’s the same message for both, then that is good. 🙂

  21. Michael says:


    We’ve has that expressed here a hundred times.
    Social gospel, they say…

  22. Owen says:

    Then apparently I have, indeed, missed something. Must make a mental note to pay closer attention. 🙂

  23. Rob says:

    Old men are also invisible in church. My dad was in an assisted living facility for 2 years before his death. Not one single call, visit, or card from the church he belonged to for 35 years. Not one!

    Mom was in the hospital dying. We had to beg for a pastor to come visit her. From her church of 30 years, no one gave a hoot. At her funeral, the pastor didn’t even mention her kids or grandkids. Obviously, he didn’t even know her.

    I’m sure older women are viewed as not too smart, not capable of leadership, out of touch, etc.

    Single people and old people, have no valule in church (unless they have money.)

    PS. So, skip the funeral. Loved ones can get together and celebrate a life, without the sterile religious ritual.

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