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  1. Linnea says:


  2. Linnea says:

    Happy E-Fest all you folks out on the Pacific Coast!

  3. Michael says:

    I forgot!

    Happy E-Fest!

  4. ShowMeWhere? says:

    Lipstick, false eyelashes, pearls, nice looking pig!

  5. Linnea says:

    It’s Festivus for the rest of us….

  6. Michael says:

    I had to ditch the pig…

  7. Sarah says:

    Awww…..missing E-Fest and missing the beach today. Will park on the back porch with an Anne Perry novel instead. Have fun Erunner and gang!

  8. Nonnie says:

    To all at the E-fest. Have a wonderful time! Blessings to all.

  9. Erunner says:

    Music is up for the week. Feel free to drop by and have a listen.

    Hoping everything goes well with us today as we gather together!!

  10. Em says:

    Linnea, if festivus has their ‘pole,’ what is the official decoration of E-Fest? the rest of us could decorate for the day, if we knew how 🙂
    i think the official game involves some sort of wresting … over Revelation … dunno


  11. Believe says:

    “Linnea, if festivus has their ‘pole,’ what is the official decoration of E-Fest?”

    The Keyboard 🙂

  12. Believe says:

    …and Happy E-Fest! (hopefully in person next year…)

  13. Michael says:

    The greatest thing about sermon prep is what you learn while in the process.

    I’m getting ready to exposit the Lords Prayer and saw something stunning…that I’d never really reckoned with before.

  14. A E A says:

    Happy E-fest!!!

    What a cool deal.

    Believe, you could pick me up on the way down next year.

    We could solve the world’s problems on the way down and the church’s on the way home.

  15. A E A says:

    Michael, are you going to share with us today, or use it for a thread opener?

  16. Believe says:

    A E A…sounds good! LOL. 🙂

  17. Michael says:

    “ and forgive us our sins,
    for we ourselves forgive everyone who is indebted to us.”
    (Luke 11:4 ESV)

    If you reverse this…if you are unwilling to forgive…you curse yourself by praying the Lords Prayer…

  18. Nene says:

    Happy E-Fest Day! I am so sad I couldn’t make it, but paying the bills calls me. 🙂
    Have a wonderful time, and will miss you!

  19. Michael says:

    We’ve had discussions before about if someone must repent before we forgive or if we just are required to forgive unilaterally…I’m not sure, but I think this answers that.

  20. jlo says:

    just printed directions to efest and am on my way

  21. centorian says:

    you guys all have a great time together. wishing I was there.

  22. Babylon's Dread says:

    I preached exactly that recently in a sermon applied to the marriage covenant but applicable to all relationships… Every time the Lord’s Prayer is prayed the unforgiving person curses themselves…

  23. Babylon's Dread says:

    And here the same sermon delivered very differently

  24. Michael says:


    My only question is this…are we called to be ready to forgive if the offender is repentant or just forgiving…period?

    God does not forgive the unrepentant…does He?

  25. Babylon's Dread says:

    Well… it seems to me we are given no caveat …. no reprieve … no release.

    The explanation that follows the prayer reiterates and amplifies… for if we will not forgive our neighbor, neither will our Father in heaven forgive us…

    Seems to me it is an unconditional call upon us… but it is very costly and painful

  26. Babylon's Dread says:

    The one who forgives does all the suffering… just as it is with the Cross … the pain is all His the blessing all ours

  27. Michael says:

    “The one who forgives does all the suffering… just as it is with the Cross … the pain is all His the blessing all ours”

    That’s one of the finer things ever written here…

  28. ShowMeWhere? says:


    It sure seems unconditional in Mark 11:25, “Whenever you stand praying, forgive, if you have anything against anyone, so that your Father who is in heaven will also forgive you your transgressions.”

    How much more unconditional can you be than by saying, “whenever”?

  29. Em says:

    granny thot here:
    we can’t take vengeance and we wait and pray for the erring to repent or for our own thinking to clear up, because it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the Living God (& they will/we could)

    asking for God’s forgiveness is easy, but it is no light thing (it is way too easy for me to just generically ask for forgiveness because, after all, i am a sinner and probably have done something to be forgiven for 🙄 ) IMO – again

    question: how does forgiving differ from pursuing justice? cuz isn’t that sometimes called for?

  30. Michael says:

    I just spent an hour looking for loopholes… 😉

  31. Michael says:


    They are two separate things…we can forgive while still holding someone accountable.

    I think of criminals who convert in prison…they are forgiven, but they still have to receive justice.

  32. Michael says:

    BD’s sermon is so good I might just scrap mine and play his tonight. 🙂

  33. A E A says:

    As Jesus looked down from the cross looking at those crucifying Him, He said, “Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.”

    It looks from the human perspective that they knew what they were doing.
    And I don’t see anyone repenting or asking for forgiveness.

    I too have looked long and hard for loop holes.

    My pastor warned me long ago and I’ve given this to others and had to use it personally often.

    “God help us when we are right. That is when we are in the greatest danger.”

  34. Em says:

    BD, listened to whole sermon 🙂

  35. Believe says:

    …wow…good discussion for me to continue to hear…forgiveness when you’ve been deeply hurt and wronged…is a tough one…especially when you are wounded by the most sacred of relationships…

    God help me…continually.

  36. Em says:

    long ago the Lord had to impress upon me that i needed to pray for some folk (i’d already tried lovin on em) who were actively trying to do me harm because some of them were headed for hell and that was a place you’d not want anyone to go (yeah, i had to get over thinking i wanted them there )… not to be confused with coming out and telling someone they’re going to hell – that’s a job for the preachers, i guess 😉

  37. Believe says:

    “Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.”

    It is tough when “they do know what they do…and hurt you anyways…and then lie and cover over and hurt you more by removing the most sacred relationship one has outside of Christ”….

  38. centorian says:


  39. A E A says:

    Pre-marriage counseling next.

    This is a lot more fun than post marriage counseling.

    Sunday am, (this is for Em’s last post) is pre-funeral counseling.

  40. Bob Sweat says:

    The party has begun.

  41. ShowMeWhere? says:

    A E A,

    Are you speaking of when someone becomes enraged to by buried???

  42. ShowMeWhere? says:

    enraged to be buried…

  43. filbertz says:

    best wishes to all at the E-fest…moderately jealous here, up to my armpits in weeds & abatement. Earning a cold brew for sure.

  44. Bob says:

    I have a topic for open blogging:

    In Leviticus we find that there are two kinds of sins against God, unintentional and intentional. According to what I read in scripture and in Jewish teachings the blood of the atonement was to cover unintentional sin. Lev 4:2. The Hebrew here is interpreted in NASB as unintentional or out of ignorance.

    Now what do we, or the Lord, do those who know what is right sin any way, or intentionally sin? How is that made right?

    For a Christian our atonement is the blood of Jesus, not lambs, goats, grain, birds or any other thing which was temporary. If His blood fills this requirement then what do we do after we intentionally sin?

    In Leviticus it appears to be called a “guilt” offending and requires repentance and restitution, especially if it brings harm to others. How does this apply in a Christian, post resurrection, world?

    Maybe there’s a lot of restitution and right living many of us are missing? What kind of things do we do intentionally under the guise of grace?

    Worth a discussion?

  45. Bob says:


    “Now what do we, or the Lord, do those who know what is right sin any way, or intentionally sin? How is that made right?”

    Meant to say:

    What things do we do knowing that it is sin but do it anyway and how do we make it right?

  46. Linnea says:

    Em…decorations for E-Fest… never been, but I’m thinking beautiful praises adorning our hearts might be great decorations for E-Fest 🙂

  47. Linnea says:

    BD is right…forgiveness without conditions, and it means suffering. Sometimes I have to ask God to make me willing to even consider forgiving someone as a first step. Do you think someday it might come instantly? I can only hope 🙂

  48. deadmanwalking says:

    I noted years ago that when Jesus told us how to pray, the on part of that prayer he made any commentary on was about us forgiving as we are forgiven.. and his comment is pretty firm
    Mat 6: 14* For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15* But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.

    And we are called upon to even love active enemies, so no repentance required before we need to forgive. Remember to forgive does not mean you are reconciled. To reconcile requires repentance.

    Mat 5:43* ¶ “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbour and hate your enemy.’ 44* But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45* that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.

  49. Em says:

    Linnea, a joyful countenance, eh?

  50. Em says:

    DM,”…And we are called upon to even love active enemies, so no repentance required before we need to forgive. Remember to forgive does not mean you are reconciled. To reconcile requires repentance”

    wisest worlds i ever heard on the subject …

  51. deadmanwalking says:

    To reconcile with someone is much more complex than forgiving them. To be reconciled with someone means both parties agree and see the sin for what is really is, and then and only then can they move forward. The offender not only need to confess that they sinned against the offended, but they need to convince the offended that they really get it. That they understand how their sin hurt the person, and the offender needs to be willing to revisit the sin as often and the offended needs to revisit it, until the offended is really healed and trust is really restored.

    and to win back trust once you violated that trust is one of the hardest things to do.

  52. A E A says:

    enraged to be buried?


    What I’m saying is that it is easy for me to be humble and repentant when I know I’m in the wrong,

    but when I’m the victim…when I have a right to be ticked off,

    feel sorry for myself…to have the sympathies of others because of the injustice,

    to harbor resentment because I’ve been violated…

    It goes against all my natural inclinations to be what He has made me to be,
    to be forgiving, to be loving, to be Christ-like.

    My flesh really likes being in the right. That is when I’m in the greatest danger.

  53. A E A says:

    Now, I’ve got a graduation open house to attend.

  54. ShowMeWhere? says:

    A E A,

    enraged to be buried?


    I thought you were going to talk about pre-marital stuff and being engaged to be married, and I was trying to make a joke about being “engaged to be married”. Not so funny now! 😉

  55. Believe says:

    …”every Knee shall Bow”….

  56. Bob says:

    OK no takers for the Intentional sin and Leviticus verses permanent atonement through Jesus’ blood..

    I really will sit back and just read what you have to say. This has bothered me and brought questions to my mind for many years.

  57. Michael says:

    Bob, I’ve been multi tasking…I think it’s a good topic.

    “Leviticus 16 gives detailed instructions for a special sacrifice to be offered once a year, on the tenth day of the seventh month. On that day the whole community of Israel was to gather at the tabernacle (and later, the temple) to fast and to pray. The high priest followed carefully prescribed steps and entered the inner room of the tabernacle, bringing the blood of a sacrificed animal. There he sprinkled the blood on the cover of the ark, called the mercy seat. This animal was a “sin offering for the people” (16:15). It is specifically said to have been required “because of the uncleanness and rebellion of the Israelites, whatever their sins have been” (v. 16, cf. v. 21). That sacrifice was an “atonement … to be made once a year for all the sins of the Israelites” (v. 34, italics mine). Following that sacrifice, Israel was told, “You will be clean from all your sins” (v. 30).
    So the sacrificial system did make provision for intentional as well as unintentional sins. This was the only way the holy God could continue to dwell among a sinful and sinning community.”
    Richards, L., & Richards, L. O. (1987). The teacher’s commentary (111). Wheaton, Ill.: Victor Books.

  58. Believe says:

    MB…chills in regards to the CHS quote.

  59. Captain Kevin says:

    “Forgive us our sins as we forgive those who sin against us” has always kind of bothered me. You know, one of those hard sayings of Jesus. Thanks for the commentary y’all; keep it coming!

    E-Festers, jealous…but looking forward to the pics and stories nonetheless.

  60. Michael says:

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    It’s Open Blogging…so here is my favorite secular author on the city of Juarez.

  61. ShowMeWhere? says:


    1 John 1:9 speaks to the cleansing of unintentional sin as well as intentional sin, I believe:

    “If we confess our sins He is faithful and righteous to forgive us of our sins and to cleanse us from ALL unrighteousness.”

  62. Em says:

    Michael, listening to the #65 connection is sobering as well as saddening – over a period of years i had the opportunity to watch a hot bed of drug distribution from my mother’s front porch in a nice old neighborhood across the street from Monument Valley Park in downtown Colorado Springs (drugs and other things). a distribution center off the main drag and a couple blocks from Colorado College – all clean, tidy out in the open and obviously ordered and organized by? if you called the police, they would come and go thru the motions – kind of a dance – a facade of law and order established by someone…
    Juarez could easily become any city in the U.S. as this underground system breaks out into turf wars up here … IMO, we overestimate our superiority … or maybe undervalue our blessings…

  63. Em says:

    Michael’s #61 “That sacrifice was an “atonement … to be made once a year for all the sins of the Israelites” (v. 34, italics mine). Following that sacrifice, Israel was told, “You will be clean from all your sins”

    isn’t that the cleansing that is the driving force behind the orthodox jew’s unquenchable desire for a temple? perhaps, a tabernacle? from my view as a follower of the Lamb provided by God, this is such a sorrowful picture of misdirected obedience – i just see our Lord standing there saying, oh Jerusalem, Jerusalem how often i would have gathered you as a hen gathers her chicks… such a sorrowful picture

  64. filbertz says:

    done weeding…for today. As promised: Bridgeport “Hop Czar” Imperial India Pale Ale. Hits the spot…and what a spot it is.

  65. ( | o )====::: says:

    Just got back from E-Fest.
    Great company, great food, great discussions!
    Thanks everyone!

  66. A E A says:


    Man, I’m sorry. I didn’t make the connection between my post on the topic at hand and saying what I was doing next so I missed your pun.

    I actually like it. I hate it when people don’t track and miss my puns. (oops)

    (I must be slowing down)

  67. Bob says:

    Bella said:

    “Obviously the forgiveness and blood atonement of Jesus Christ is far and above more complete and comprehensive than anything the Mosiac Law could ever have hoped to offer”

    I agree, but can we live anyway we want then? This web site keeps bring up fallen men, so how about them?


    One of my favorite scriptures.

    Michael: I’m not sure about the commentary’s position. It seems to me the sprinkling of the blood was part of the unintentional sin offering, if I read it right.

    My personal take is, the atoning blood, both the temporary and the permanent from Jesus, covers our sins, all of them, and makes a connection with God. But, I think even under Jesus we have an obligation if we find ourselves in sin, intentional or not, to bring it to God and if it involves others to go and make restitution. Jesus teaching seems to be very clear we can live in unforgiven sin but are still covered by His blood.

    So if we continue in unforgiven sin that is intentional it seems to me we will pay a price for it. Just look at what happen to Haggert, Swaggert, and others.

    Correct me if I’m wrong.

  68. Another Voice says:

    The OT word is atonement – which is foreign to the NT teaching on the death of Christ. (Despite an error in the KJV translation of Rom 5:11 which should be reconciliation)

    Jesus accomplished a propitiation – the same word as mercy seat.

    Atonement is a covering..Christ’s blood did not simply cover our sins, like the OT sacrifices were limited in doing.

  69. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    E-Fest was great. Wish more could have been there. Got to meet Dusty & Buster along with the regular crowd.
    Thanks erunner for putting it together (great food btw) and a special thanks to Oden for allowing a group of sinners to occupy his church. 🙂

  70. jlo says:

    Great time at E-fest.

  71. Captain Kevin says:

    Oden allowed sinners in his church? Inconceivable!!!

  72. odenfong says:

    Got into some deep stimulating conversations today at E-fest. My regret is that we can’t spend more quality time with everyone who attends. But we’ll soon be together in the kingdom and have plenty of time to catch up!

  73. Everstudy says:

    Had a great time at Efest. It was great talking to MLD and Buster and everyone else there.

    I just sent out a bunch of ‘friend’ requests on facebook for people I saw today… so if you get one, it’s from me (hey, erunner just confirmed me as a friend… thanks).

    Looking forward to the next time we can get together.

  74. Erunner says:

    Today was a great day being with friends from this blog. It was great to see buster and dusty together. Buster looks like Magnum P.I. 🙂 Had the only Hawaiian shirt today!

    Oden set up early and the church looked beautiful and I want to say thank you for allowing us to gather at Poiema for the third year! What a gracious host!

    There is always such a peace that is present whenever we gather. Folks with differing opinions sharing in a very natural and relaxed way. It is a glimpse of how things can and should be when we come together in the name of Jesus.

    Michael. You were missed big time. Lord willing you will join us next time. These gatherings are another way the PP has been used by God to establish real life friendships for folks from all over the country.

    There are some really remarkable people on this blog and sitting back and listening to them talk when we gather is worth the price of admission.

  75. Isaiah56:1 says:

    What a blessing Efest was! Wish we could have stayed longer, but thankful for the time we had.
    Erunner, Thank you for all of your hard work putting it together!
    Oden, Thank you for your hospitality. What a treat to see your 3 boys. Seth has often been in my prayers, so to see him walking around and smiling – awesome! You are truly triple blessed. 🙂

    So nice to meet people face to face.

  76. Hop-Along says:

    Thank you all for welcoming us to E-fest! What a special time!

    Michael, you are blessed man to have such community of the believers a part of PP.

    I look forward to being a more active part from today on.

    E-runnner and Oden were wonderful hosts. It was a truly rich time.

  77. ShowMeWhere? says:

    A E A,

    No problems, I’m just glad you finally got it! 🙂

  78. BrianD says:

    welcome, hop-along!

  79. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Isaiah56:1 & Hop-Along, it was great to meet the 2 of you this afternoon! 🙂

  80. Michael says:


    Just for clarification…the Reformed position is not that one can sin with impudence.
    The Reformed position is that all of our sins were paid for at the cross and there is “no condemnation” for those in Christ.
    Those who sin in willful rebellion are subject to the discipline of God.
    I know that doesn’t seem harsh enough for some, but it’s scary as hell to a Calvinist. 🙂

    For the record, she really does have a memory like that…when we first met she would rebuke me by quoting entire sections of the book of Jeremiah.

    True story…

    I wasn’t listening though… 🙂

  81. Michael says:

    “Michael, you are blessed man to have such community of the believers a part of PP.”

    That’s how I know it’s a work of God and not my flesh…and the reason I haven’t retired.

  82. deadmanwalking says:

    2Pe 3:18* But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be the glory both now and to the day of eternity. Amen.

    To grow in Grace. We always think of the Grace of God towards us as His unmerited favor. I think we can all understand if I said “God gave me the grace I needed to deal with that situation”. But to grow in grace. To have a continue forward growth in that attribute.

    Where do we start to grow in grace? In learning to forgive the unforgivable. That one person we cannot forgive, that hurt us so bad that we want them in hell forever. When we learn to forgive that one, we have matured in Grace, but how do we take small steps towards growing in grace so we can show unmerited favor to those who don’t disserve and have not earned our forgiveness

    Mat 5: 44* But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,
    45* so that you may be children of your Father in heaven; for he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the righteous and on the unrighteous.
    46* For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same?
    47* And if you greet only your brothers and sisters, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same?
    48* Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

    To grow in Grace is to become a little bit more like God in out character

  83. Believe says:

    Thank you guys…you probably don’t even know why…

  84. London says:

    oh. Reality Tv…now the whole “we’re going to help people” thing makes sense.

  85. Buster says:

    It was so much fun today. Thanks so much to Erunner & Oden for making it possible. It was really great meeting everyone, and I wish there had been enough time to talk at length with everyone. It’s such an amazing thing that people from so many walks of life can come together and find genuine fellowship. Makes me wish I lived closer. You guys would make a great home church group!

  86. London says:

    I actually have zero problem with that. Heck, if people get helped then more power to them.
    Maybe they will need a project manager or site/event coordinator. Then they could start by helping me…with employment 😉
    That would actually be an AWESOME job…getting paid to figure out which people to help and how to help them!!
    How the heck cool would that be??

  87. A Believer says:

    E-Fest was great today. I got to meet a few newcomers and meet Buster face to face for the first time. 🙂

    It was also fun to reconnect with all the PP E-Fest veterans.

    Thanks again E-Runner and Oden for your gracious hosting.

  88. Sarah says:

    WOW…A Believer, great to see your name here!!!

  89. London says:

    What they do or don’t do really doesn’t have any impact at all in my life so I don’t care one way or the other.

    Just was being a bit silly.

  90. London says:

    AB- where the heck have you been?

  91. A Believer says:


    Has anyone ever actually left the Phoenix Preacher permanently?

    I’m never really totally gone, …just enjoying periodic lurker status.

    Plus MLD won’t let me opt out of E-Fest due to lack of current participation!

    It’s good to see you also. Wish you could have been with us again this year,

  92. A Believer says:


    About a month ago I wrapped up a huge 2 month project. Then with no break rolled into another even larger project which I am still working on.

    I’m laying out and completely illustrating a children’s book. This one has 32 full illustrations in it and when that’s done, they want me to do another one.

    Very fun work but challenging and stretching. Dusting off and redeveloping some old skills 😉

  93. London says:

    Beats me MB. Guess it’s better than having Dr. Drew do it. He does that kind of work on tv all the time minus the spiritual context.

    There’s all kinds of folks that would let their “dirty laundry” be broadcast to the world. Look at Dr. Phil or Oprah or any of those type of talk shows. People talk about their most intimate moments on those kind of shows every day. I’m pretty sure getting people booked on a show like that would not be difficult at all. The only difficulty would be trying to figure out which of the many, many people willing to do it you’d choose.

    And why not a ministry-based TV show? It’s not a world I’d live in (unless they paid me big money to work for the show 😉 ) but, some people would.

    All of this of course is total conjecture and completely made up as neither of us have any idea if that rumour is true or not. Personally, again….I don’t care one way or another what they do cause it’s not impacting me in any way.

  94. London says:

    AB – sounds good!’s 1:30am where I am and I gotta get up early to grab a plane.

    Night everyone.

  95. Sarah says:

    AB…wish I could have come this year. Missing the beach and E-Fest!

  96. dusty says:

    What a wonderful day. Got to see a bunch of friends from PP.

    I had an awful headache that would not let up even after taking 12 I did more listening than talking. Sorry guys

    What a great time of visiting….it was kind of like how we visit on the blog…some talking here about this..some talking there about that…some listening to both …

    what was VERY evident today was the love that everyone had for God. It was way cool to hear the joy in everyones voice as they talked of the goodness of Jesus.


    I got lots of hugs today. 🙂

  97. centorian says:

    missing In-n-Out and Efest…… hopeful toward next year. I’m glad to hear of the good reports.

  98. brian says:

    “I had an awful headache that would not let up even after taking 12 I did more listening than talking. Sorry guys”

    I do hope you feel better, headaches can be a real struggle. God be with you and heal you.

  99. Bob Sweat says:

    Made it back to Bakersfield, head home tomorrow. It was good to see everyone, and place. more names to faces! Wish I could have stayed longer.

  100. brian says:

    “Heck, if people get helped then more power to them.”

    From my neck of the woods this is by far the worst sin of fellowship a Christian can commit, to need, seek, lean, ask or in any other way require help. I always found that strange, it is extremely clear in the modern apologetic, which has nothing what so ever to do with the historic Christian faith. But sense this is the central focus of many in the Christian Industry it is relevant. I for one am extremely reluctant to ask for “help” I try very hard to avoid such events. From my first days of being a Christian it was made extremely clear, dont ask, ever. I have not for the most part in the real world. I have here at times, something I am ashamed of at times, but find comforting in another. Religion is very silly to be honest, it really is.

  101. Nonnie says:

    A Believer, so good to see you here again. I am enjoying the news from E-fest and hope we can make it one year.

  102. Bob says:


    Good point about propitiation. Hebrews spends a lot on this subject. But like entering the Holy by the priest, it says we are to boldly enter because of Jesus. The not so implied statement says we have to enter. So what are we entering with and why? Does not the idea we stil sin have something to do with it or is it about fellowship with the God, blessed be His name?

  103. Captain Kevin says:

    ABBY!!! Good to see you!

    Are you able to tell us more about the project (author, subject-matter, etc.)?

  104. Captain Kevin says:

    E-Fest sounds like a blast! Sure wish I could’ve been there.

    Dusty, 12 Motrin…TWELVE???!!!! Doesn’t that mess with your tummy?

  105. Believe says:

    Jesus says Father, forgive them for they know not what they do…

    What does one do with a person who “does know what they do…” and does it anyways? A pastor is to be rebuked publicly when in sin. 1 Timothy 5.

    And, repentance, yes…forgiveness, yes…accountability…yes. What does one do “IF” the offending party does not repent?

    Notice the word “if”…

    Luke 17:3-4 (English Standard Version)

    3Pay attention to yourselves!If your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him, 4and if he sins against you seven times in the day, and turns to you seven times, saying, ‘I repent,’ you must forgive him.”

  106. Believe says:

    …got one stuck in the filter BrianD..thanks 🙂

  107. BrianD says:

    I haven’t been here a lot recently…but I consider all of you to be part of my family. I really appreciate you being there – Michael, Sarah, Buster, Dusty, Grendal, Tom Stipe, MrFixIt, ERunner and many many others – at various times in my life.

    Now that that’s out of the way…anyone else have World Cup Fever? 🙂

  108. Kat says:

    EFest was wonderful! Loved meeting new friends and reconnecting with all of you I’ve shared lunch with for the now three years. Grendal! We finally meet! Hope I can also meet Monica one of these days. Dusty and Buster…SO wonderful to meet you in person. You are such a blessing. JLO, great sitting next to you and all of you……GO next year, it’s worth the ‘hike’. These people rock! HUGS!

  109. BrianD says:

    Jesus Manifesto for 2.95…

  110. deadmanwalking says:

    Dusty — thanks for the write up on my pot roast —

    funny E-fest we a long hour drive away with heave traffic, and I had company from E-Fest but the pastors conference is 20 minutes away with no traffic, and not even a phone call.. like long friends and am not invited to attend the conference anymore — ummm makes one wonder who one’s real friends are doesn’t it.

  111. Dusty says:

    Hi DMW,

    I would fly across the country to visit with you.

    That saddens me that no one from the conference came to visit you…it is their loss!! I mean that with all that is in me…their tremendous loss.

  112. centorian says:

    I had some thoughts in the back of my mind of riding my Hog down there and hooking up with you for a run.. as it worked out (or didn’t), I didn’t attend.

    But don’t be so hard on them, we live in an out of sight out of mind world. There were some guys that post on this blog and another one that I participate on that attended a small preaching conference last spring. They were only 45 miles from here and I didn’t get any contact either, but I figured as such. It’s what it is…. We have many acquaintances and few friends.

  113. Dusty says:

    DMW, your pot roast is second to none. I love visits with you and LGT…it feels like…like home…like we have been life long friends…like we are family

  114. deadmanwalking says:

    I try not to be hard on people, but I have been housebound for 2 and a half years, and the number of people how have come to visit me even from my own fellowship is next to none. Only two visits from the leadership from the fellowship I pastored for 30 years in 2 an a half years, and that was because he was working across the street and came over on his coffee break to spend 15 minutes with me. I guess it is like you say out of sight out of mind, perhaps that is why Jesus held up visiting the sick as a quality of the sheep and something the goats failed at. The sick are out of sight out of mind —

    Thanks for thinking of riding with me this year, but I couldn’t have left the house anyhow. I have no helpers to be with Debbie until July so apart from quick runs to ge groceries I am on lock down ..

  115. centorian says:

    yeah, well dmw, we could have parked our Fat Boys in your driveway and just hung out in your living room…….

  116. jlo says:


  117. jlo says:

    The one hour drive to efest ended up taking two hours due to the two accidents on the 91 fwy. Next year I’m making my husband take me on the Harley.

  118. deadmanwalking says:

    One thing that makes me sad, is we has a church where people no coming for a few weeks at a time was normal, and some just stopped coming — now I wonder wee they out of sight out of mind, perhaps suffering and to weak to come to church and no one even noticed

    how many do all of you suppose you have in your church that you have not seen for a long then that have fallen into the invisible world of the sick — out of sight out of mind

    meanwhile back at the church everyone is spinning there wheels on exercise cycles going no where and call it service when they ignore something so basic as visiting the sick ???

    If I there pastor falls off their radar after serving them 30 years, how much more did they ignore others who were sick and simply because they are out of sight and out of mind..

  119. Dusty says:

    DMW, friend I love you. (((hugs)))

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