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  1. John 20:29 says:

    If we aren’t putting extra effort to cover our leaders in prayer right now, we either overestimate their strength or underestimate the perilous times today

    Just sayin ?

  2. Duane Arnold says:

    “The faith to which we are called will always be folly and scandal to the world, it cannot be in the usual sense of the word popular; it is a supernatural faith and it cannot adapt itself to every passing fashion of human thought. But it will be a faith alert to distinguish what is shaken, and is meant to go, and what is not shaken and is meant to remain.”

    +Michael Ramsey

  3. Michael says:

    Amen, Em…I was noting this morning that some of our leaders see to have badly lost their way…

  4. Michael says:

    “But it will be a faith alert to distinguish what is shaken, and is meant to go, and what is not shaken and is meant to remain.”

    That…is solid gold.

  5. John 20:29 says:

    Dr. Duane’s post @2, amen…
    It is sad when Christians seem to put so much effort into attempts to reform the world… to create some sort of civil and thus carnal model of God’s kingdom
    still… we can pray for God to turn the hearts and minds of those in power to bleed and not curse us…
    could He turn jong un? Hmmm

  6. John 20:29 says:

    Did I say I wasn’t going to post comments on this spell correcting gadget anymore?I
    “bless and not curse” – not bleed!
    A shadow of things to come in a world ruled by artificial intelligence?

  7. Jean says:

    I would hope that people do not misinterpret Duane’s number 2. I would bet a Filet-O-Fish that neither Ramsey nor Duane are dualists.

  8. Duane Arnold says:

    #7 Jean

    As Freud said, “Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar…” No extensive interpretation required.

  9. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    It is good to see you observing No Meat Friday.
    What do you see in the Duane / Ramsey statement that leads you to think it could be misunderstood as dualism?

  10. Jean says:

    There is a huge difference between two kingdoms, on the one hand, and Christians have no values intrinsic to their faith that should influence their conduct in the kingdom of man, on the other.

  11. CostcoCal says:

    Duane, #8….not in Bill Clinton’s case.

  12. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Jean, I agree – not to the extent of the crazy evangelicals snuggling to the Right but I do agree that God is working through civil government and other civil entities just as he works through the church — for a different purpose. If Romans 13 is telling us that Rome rules by the sword at God’s pleasure, it seems natural that through vocation we all should participate to assure that justice is served – for the sake of God and his work.

  13. Scooter Jones says:

    CostcoCal, speaking of the Clintons!

    Ahh, nevermind…

  14. Jean says:

    Justice is not a single dimensional concept. For example, justice also includes using honest scales, among other things.

  15. brian says:

    I would like to thank God for such a wondrous life and chances to help folks, please pray I can help some folks that mean alot. Michael that gofundme link I posted on your facebook can I post that here?

  16. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    So Jean, did you catch the butcher at Kroger’s with his thumb on the scale while you were buying your bologna?
    It’s a good thing America is a biblical nation and both the Feds and the state’s have offices of weights and measures.
    Remember the McDonald’s Quarter Pounder case?

  17. Michael says:


    Of course…

  18. Jean says:

    Whatever happened to God?

    “Luther would find the modern world irrelevant right away because it no longer makes any distinction between human judgment and God’s judgment. What is important is strictly human judgment – what others think of us, or what we think of ourselves, what we call self-esteem. Self-esteem, Robert Schuller says, is the new “new Reformation.” Feeling good about ourselves is the goal of life. Therapy, not theology, is the way to go. “St.” Sigmund (Freud) is the real patron of the modern age. It seems nobody worries about God much anymore. God, if anyone thinks about him (her?) any more, is just love, love, love. God is a patsy. And so God just drops out of the picture for most folks. If God is just love, love, love, then no one need worry about him any more. What is important is not to get right with God, as they used to say in the old days, but to get right with ourselves. What is important is not to live the godly life, but to learn how to affirm one another in our chosen lifestyles. Whatever happened to God? Does anyone believe in God anymore, i.e., that God is living and that he is not only love, but above all, the judge? Does anyone believe that the ultimate question for our lives is not human judgment but God’s judgment?”
    – Gerhard Forde

  19. John 20:29 says:

    i firmly believe that only a dead soul can conclude that there is no creator and sustainer of all that we see and beyond… as someone said to NOT believe in God takes real faith…

    a really smart (MIT smart) and kind friend some years ago said, “I can see no sign of God, but if there is one, He knows where He can find me.” now that is one of the saddest statements a human can utter… IMHO

  20. JoelG says:

    “Does anyone believe in God anymore, i.e., that God is living and that he is not only love, but above all, the judge?”

    I was raised in a politically / socially conservative home. So my conscience has been fine tuned to recognize sin within myself. I wonder about those not raised in such a way. Are they as capable as recognizing sin? If not, does God take this into account?

    Maybe some need to see God the Judge, as the quote suggests. Maybe others who are so aware of their own sin need to see God is Love (not a patsy, btw).

  21. Jean says:

    Joel and everyone,

    I don’t know if this will help, but all week long I have been chewing on this quote from Luther:

    “For just as, according to Bernard [of Clairvaux], knowledge of self without the knowledge of God leads to despair, so knowledge of God without the knowledge of self leads to presumption.” – Martin Luther

    I really think that these two ditches are the risk of one who does not handle the two words of God correctly. Forde in the quotation in my #18 is speaking to people “without knowledge of self.”

    I personally think that we can oscillate between the two ditches if we are under preachers who do not properly distinguish Law and Gospel.

  22. JoelG says:

    Very good and helpful Jean. Thank you.

  23. Col46 says:

    Joel – one of the roles of the Holy Spirit is to convict us of our sins (John 16:8), regardless of our upbringing. How we respond to that determines our eternity.

  24. Col46 says:

    Joel – a follow up…it’s true that some need more truth while others need more grace. Thankfully Jesus is full of grace and truth! John 1:14, 17

  25. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    The place to see God as love is obvious — look to the cross.

  26. JoelG says:

    Col46 thank you. My concerns are for friends, co-workers, family that aren’t confessing Christians. Obviously I know God loves them more than I do. I just hope that deep down within themselves the Holy Spirit is drawing them to Christ. Sooner or later.

    Amen MLD, amen.

  27. Owen says:

    Jean #21,

    That is a quote worth chewing on.
    What comes to my mind, regarding the latter half of the quote, is that (in my experience, anyway), the more “knowledge of God” we gain, the more He shows us what our selves are like.

  28. brian says:

    I asked Michael if I could post this so I am. I know this wonderful family I met many years ago.This is a family I have known for over a decade. I just want to help. I would honestly be grateful for your prayers.

  29. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    We have a Christian Radio station here – Celebration Radio. I was in the car and flipped it on. I don’t know who was preaching but the guy delivered a great gospel message – I mean he hit all the points and I thought I was going to get saved all over again.
    When he was done he slowed down and said “that is for all of you out there who are not saved.” then he continued “now those of you out there who are Christians, this is for you” – and he went on and did a number on the Christians that would have exhausted Moses.

    Why the evangelicals do not preach the same Christ Crucified for You message each week to the church is beyond me. The gospel is for the Christian too.

  30. Jean says:

    “Why the evangelicals do not preach the same Christ Crucified for You message each week to the church is beyond me.”

    Maybe the Christians in this preacher’s audience do not include any sinners, like a David, Judas, Peter, Thomas or any of Jesus’ other disciples. .

  31. John 20:29 says:

    Brian, read the link… reminds me of how much the devil hates mankind… I will be praying for these dear people and hope to be able to contribute some dollars to that precious mom’s goal next month

  32. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    I understand the conqueror part – this guy gave them a list so long of things they needed to conquer, it probably needed to be written on a roll of Charmin.

  33. Jean says:

    I think many of us have heard the charge from unbelievers that “Christians are hypocrites.” I don’t think the church should become reactionary or give any particular credence to what unbelievers have to say. On the other hand, the church itself might ask itself, “Is there anything in our theology which might promote (i.e., actually cause or facilitate) hypocrisy among our members?”

  34. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    On the other hand the reply to the one making the charge that Christians are hypocrites should be, “yes we are and I apologize. We have a standard to live up to and we continually fail. This is why we go to church — to confess that hypocrisy as sin and attempt to do better.”

  35. Jean says:

    “We have a standard to live up to and we continually fail.” This is not the definition of hypocrisy.

    Does a dictionary fall under the book fast?

  36. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Of course you are full of baloney again. If I say I live my life a certain way (the standard) and do many things purposely to the contrary, then you have seen hypocrisy in action.

  37. Jean says:

    Do you say that? Do you go to church acting like you have got it together? That you’re more than a conqueror?

  38. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    noun, plural hypocrisies.
    1.a pretense of having a virtuous character, moral or religious beliefs or principles, etc., that one does not really possess.

  39. Jean says:

    Or do you open your service confessing that you deserve temporal and eternal punishment for your sin?

  40. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    No, that is not how I go to church – I go to church with my tail between my legs because I am a hypocrite.
    However, in the word I do act as though I have it together – creating the hypocrisy. It may not be intentional, but it is real.

    By the way, I never said I wasn’t reading – I said I was on a fast from buying new books.

  41. Jean says:

    Thank God for that. You know how the memory goes at your age.

  42. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    I like this definition better on google – the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one’s own behavior does not conform – pretense.

    Hey I don’t need to look to my theology to see what makes me a hypocrite – It comes right out of my built in sinner.

  43. Jean says:

    As I wrote, that’s material Jesus can work with.

  44. dusty says:

    I’m back on line…missed you all….wedding was beautiful so was my daughter! Thanks to all who prayed for us it was truly a wonderful day!

  45. Jean says:

    November 1 is “All Saints’ Day.”

    What does the festival commemorate?

    “This feast is the most comprehensive of the days of commemoration, encompassing the entire scope of that great cloud of witnesses with which we are surrounded. It holds before the eyes of faith that great multitude which no man can number: all the saints of God in Christ – from every nation, race, culture, and language – who have come ‘out of the great tribulation…who have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.’

    As such, it sets before us the full height and depth and breadth and length of our dear Lord’s gracious salvation. It shares with Easter a celebration of the resurrection, since all those who have died with Christ Jesus have also been raised with Him. It shares with Pentecost a celebration of the ingathering of the entire Church catholic – in heaven and on earth, in all times and places – in the one Body of Christ, in the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. Just as we have all been called to one hope that belongs to our call, ‘one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of us all, who is over all and through all and in all.’

    And the Feast of All Saints shares with the final Sundays of the Church Year an eschatological focus on the life everlasting and a confession that ‘the sufferings of this present time are not worth comparing with the glory that is to be revealed to us.’ In all of these emphases, the purpose of this feast is to fix our eyes upon Jesus, the author and perfecter of our faith, that we might not grow weary or fainthearted.”

    – Treastury of Daily Prayer, gen. ed. Scot A. Kinnaman, CPH, 2008, p. 870-71.

    Happy All Saints’ Day!

    For further reflection, please enjoy the following hymn (with lyrics): For All the Saints, by William W. How.

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