If your employer gave you a notice of termination effective approximately 2-1/2 months from the date of notice, would you continue to perform your job to the best of your ability through your last day of employment?
Yes. After all you may need said employer as a reference. Of course such performance should remain in the scope of your work. And of course you are not obligated to be friends with people at work either before the notice or after.
What possible good can come of this discussion?
None.
We know where we all stand…no need to reaffirm our positions.
The election is over…let’s try to rebuild relationships instead of going over old ground.
Michael,
Note taken.
The good that was hoped for was to expose the true nature (which is now plain as day) of the man some think was anointed God to save America.
However, in the furtherance of peace I will stand down.
Liberation theology…
Reading something published in 1994 on liberation th’
Wondering if anyone here has any thoughts AND does it pose a danger to this Republic of ours?
Liberation theology is simply theology from the perspective of the oppressed.
There are many variations on it.
It isn’t a threat, it’s a perspective…some of it’s proponents are Marxist or influenced by Marxism.
I would also note that much liberation theology was written in response to illegal and immoral American interventions in Central and South America that led to thousands of deaths among the poorest.
Em. The Catholic Church was likely the only social institution on the side of the poor in Latin America. It cerainly wasn’t going to be business, Evangelicalism or US foreign policy. There where some segments of the Democratic Party that did. I would not consider it to be in any way a threat. If people are poor, afraid maltreated or whatever, Mon-Sat, it can’t help but be a topic of conversation on Sunday.
I appreciate the input, Michael and Nathan. Looks like my next rabbit trail will be chasing down the history of U.S. interventions in central and south america……
Fri afternoon I felt overwhelmed with discouragement. I think it was reporting of Transition issues and the cyber attacks. I keep having a sense of anxiety regarding normal functioning of our society.
Ours is the most complex system on Earth and no safety mechanisms exist outside our society to restore order. The maxim that something is unprecedented, until it happens for the first time, has been especially timely these past several years.
Among my concerns, is unity of command.
-The Assad Regime was able to withstand rebel attack and was reinforced by Russia.
-The French Republic collapsed in 1940.
-Soviet forces are overwhelmed in 1941 when the command structure is paralyzed.
The 2nd and 3rd crises where difficult or impossible to reverse without outside assistance. My point is no such assistance is standing by for the US should our government be unable to issue coherent orders.
I know most here are a bit jubilant over Biden’s success, but he and his running mate do not look like patriots to me….
Sadly, this may still be God’s will for the U.S. of A. As may be the covid epidemic, the proud boys and the BLM and some other extreme activists. …. Dunno ….. ? ? ?
I honestly don’t know anyone who was jubilant about the ticket.
I was relieved because I think that the current president is the most dangerous leader of my lifetime.
He terrifies me and I don’t think we’re out of the woods yet.
Michael. I certainly feel like our system is highly unstable. It’s a polarized government and society, and that was bad enough without additional crises piling on.
I also feel an urgency to formulate a personal theory of everything, so to speak.
Bidden has more patriotism in his blood, if that still means pride and promotion of American values in the world, than the incumbent has in his whole body.
If Trump was patriotic, he would pay off his personal debts owed to Russia, so that he could start defending American interests in the face of Russian aggression.
I am in the middle of writing an article on a similar theme to what you’re commenting on. The way I process this is by recognizing that this life is a drop in the bucket next to eternity. It’s too insignificant to get stressed out about. We have a greater home in store for us. May we fix our gaze there.
Trump quit his job in November, though he never treated it as full time.
Now the Russians have attacked the US with the greatest cyber attack in US history, which Pompeo and Rubeo both have attributed to Russia, but still Trump won’t acknowledge.
We have a guy who wants to keep a job that he doesn’t want to do.
Not to mention the lives lost already to the virus due to his dereliction, disinterest, lack of empathy and fictitious theories.
I think someone may be confusing our President with God….
Some things are beyond human capacities. AND some things are departmental…. AND some things are addressed according to education…. Among us mortals. … 😉
Trump quit in November? Let’s see,
1.) he promised 6 months ago to deliver a vaccine, while Jean, Biden and the other anti Trumper laughed and swore they would not take anything Trump delivered (as if he was brewing it himself in the White House basement) – and here it is December and it is in full swing.
2.) After he quit in November his administration oversaw the 4th Middle East peace agreement.
3.) Just yesterday after quitting in November, Trump signed a stop gap measure to fund the government while an incompetent Congress couldn’t find their own butts with both hands.
4.) In November, after quitting, Trump was producing enough great domestic and international economic news to send the Dow surging over 30,000.
But hey, hate on. The sore winners can’t even make it another month without melting.
Since civics isn’t your strong suit, shall I point out that it was CONGRESS that passed that stopgap spending bill that Trump signed? They were obviously able to find that with their hands.
But their job is to pass a budget. They failed.
They still have not had a budget this year – they only do temporary fixes.
Trump didn’t have to sign it – he could have, actually he should have forced their hand.
But being a gracious leader, he saved the nation from congressional incompetence.
When President Obama was running in 2008, he made a statement that was widely condemned by the right at the time. He said regarding the prosperity of the upper class: “You didn’t build this.” What he meant, which is a true statement, is that if not for the laws that govern the American economy, the justice system which defends it, the armed forces who protect it, our education system, and the work ethic of the American worker, business owners couldn’t be successful all by themselves.
Thus, a business owner stands on the shoulders of those who make his or her success possible. Everyone should recognize this.
However, President Trump has gone a huge step beyond what Obama said, which apparently many of his followers agree with. Trump has said on more than one occasion: “I built the greatest economy ever.” Trump takes personal credit for the economy, the Stock Market, and the hard work and ideas of the entrepreneurs, the working people, and everyone else who actually builds our economy.
The stock market has done very well since November 3rd, not because of Trump’s contribution (which has been zilch, unless you count Twitter outbursts and crazy press briefings), but because the stock and financial markets anticipate that the incoming administration will be favorable for the economy. The markets are forward looking. The markets represent the collective wisdom of millions of investors who make buy and sell decisions every day; it’s a vote with the pocket book, so to speak.
So, it’s plain ignorant to attribute the market increase since November 3rd to Trump.
In fact, we may see a step up in the market tomorrow from the agreement reached this weekend on a new 900 B recovery bill, unless that was priced in last week, in which case the markets may sell off on the news (There’s an old investor saying: Buy the rumor; sell the news). Trump played no part in the new bill. He is devoted to Twitter and his conspiracy theory friends and doesn’t seem to give a rip about the American people.
Also, I would hope that it is not only liberals who care about national security. Trump certainly doesn’t. Once again, Trump exhibits the characteristics of a man who is indebted to a foreign country, i.e., who is compromised. What Russian has on him I have no idea. But conservative as well as liberal American patriots would like the problem addressed and our sovereignty protected.
Anyone have a good recommendation for online Christmas eve/morning/day service? Not looking for anything that starts with a rock band, but something more reverential and contemplative. Wife and I not comfortable to going to even a socially distanced in-house gathering.
Due for a little humor
Heard someone say that God gave us a brain to think with and a butt to sit on. … Heads you win, tails you lose
Might be an oldue? Dunno. 😋
An Open Blogging good day report.
Divine Worship service
Bible study
Trip to Home Depot
Lunch at Culver’s
and I plopped down for 3 hours watching the Cardinals beat the Eagle. 🙂
Jean. Im not looking for a Trump/Russian disclosure. Should something emerge, I don’t know how much importance I would give it. It’s an… is what it is situation. It just doesn’t matter. It’s unlikely for any significant change in support one way or the other.
Nor would I say market valuations should not be attached to Trump. We traditionaly assign blame or credit to the specific Administration in power. Credit goes to the administration it’s due, regardless of the underlying cause.
Would Kenneth Copeland be considered a mainstream evangelical or a fringe personality? I am asking to try and figure out if his views are held in high esteem by a wide or narrow swath of Evangelicals.
MLD, we just got Culver’s down here in GA the last few years, including one about 3 miles from home!
Jean, the view from my porch is that Copeland is borderline fringe. Seems like he’s more popular with Pentecostals than Evangelicals. I certainly don’t consider him a mainstream Evangelical. I would put him in a group with Kenneth Hagin, Oral and Richard Roberts, Robert Tilton (ugh), and Benny Hinn…the “prosperity gospel” crowd. I dabbled in Hagin’s writings as a new believer (shudder), but thankfully soon found them wanting, insufficient, and flat out false.
Copeland is a heretic who believes there are 9 person in the Trinity. There are 3 persons in the Father, 3 in the Son, and 3 persons in the Holy Spirit.
Beyond that, he is wrong about everything else.
I know that he used to teach that God was 28 feet tall and had hands the size of basketballs and that we are gods – as in actual gods – God created Adam because he wanted to reproduce himself.
Thanks Dan. I am comforted by your response. His latest preaching and the prayers he is asking Christians to pray on his website are quite troubling. I noticed that Michelle Bachman is a contributor on his website.
Sad to hear about Bachman. She was a lifelong Lutheran who fostered over 20 kids during the 90s.
Left the Lutheran Church (WELS) and became an evangelical. Now I guess with her association with Copeland, she is now dining at the table of Satan.
Someone asked last week about John Warwick Montgomery and specifically if he was still alive. The answer is yes and at 89 it doesn’t seem like he has slowed down. I am a regular consumer of his materials and have been for about 40 yrs.
He still leads the International Academy of Apologetics, Evangelism & Human Rights in Strasbourg, France, holds a seat as research professor at Concordia University Wisconsin – and is a regular contributor at 1517 dot org and on the radio program Issues, etc. He still edits the online journal Global Journal of Classic Theology.
I was going through some of my things and ran across this old journal article out of the Lutheran Synod Journal from 1970 – probably the one thing that got me going in Apologetics – which concluded in my receiving an MA in Apologetics under him.
In 1984 after I had completed a 3 yr Bible course through Liberty Baptist College (now the infamous Liberty U) my Baptist pastor suggested I look into the Apologetics program at Simon Greenleaf – a SoCal law school that offered a MA in Apologetics. That is where I first met the infamous JWM who I knew from his radio program Christianity on Trial.
The school was very non denominational as the discipline of apologetics is. At the time, I didn’t really know who Lutherans were – didn’t even know that the 3 “big” guys were Lutherans. As it turned out, my mentors over the next 3 years were JWM, Charles Manske (the founding mover and President of Christ College in Irvine CA – later to become Concordia University Irvine) and Rod Rosenbladt, professor of Systematic Theology at Christ College / CUI and later to become one of the co hosts on The White Horse Inn for the next 25 years.
Anyway, whoever asked the question last week about JWM, brought back some memories.
Copeland would be considered a heretic (still) even in traditional Pentecostal circles, let alone evangelical. Same for Paula White. Anyone who would consider Copeland a mainstream evangelical either has no idea what the term has ever meant or is broad-brushing in bad faith.
‘a living hope’ “because it is imperishable. Other hopes fade like withering flowers. The hopes of the rich, the boasts of the proud, all these will die out as a candle when it flickers in the socket. The hope of the greatest monarch has been crushed before our eyes; he has set up the standard of victory too soon and has seen it trailed in the mire. There is no unwaning hope beneath the changeful moon: the only imperishable hope is that which climbs above the stars, and fixes itself upon the throne of God and the person of Jesus Christ.” (Spurgeon)
It’s all yours today…
Question for the house:
If your employer gave you a notice of termination effective approximately 2-1/2 months from the date of notice, would you continue to perform your job to the best of your ability through your last day of employment?
Yes. After all you may need said employer as a reference. Of course such performance should remain in the scope of your work. And of course you are not obligated to be friends with people at work either before the notice or after.
Oh man, another thinly disguised anti Trump thread is brewing. The sore winners prevail again.
Evidently not, if you’re seven of the nine on the US Supreme Court…… 🙆
What possible good can come of this discussion?
None.
We know where we all stand…no need to reaffirm our positions.
The election is over…let’s try to rebuild relationships instead of going over old ground.
Listening to Michael and MLD….. I’m done…. 🙆
Michael,
Note taken.
The good that was hoped for was to expose the true nature (which is now plain as day) of the man some think was anointed God to save America.
However, in the furtherance of peace I will stand down.
Jean,
I get it…but at this juncture, no one who isn’t already persuaded will be.
I find this unfortunate, but it is true.
Thank you for responding.
hey big brother ((((((hugs))))
It looks slow here today – I offer this up in the spirit of the Christmas season to help those who feel challenged by others about the birth of Jesus.
https://issuesetc.org/2020/12/18/3532-apparent-contradictions-in-the-gospels-on-the-birth-of-jesus-dr-peter-scaer-12-18-20/
Contradictions often turn out to be simply interprations…
Or so it seems to me… Dunno, though, do i? 😁
Liberation theology…
Reading something published in 1994 on liberation th’
Wondering if anyone here has any thoughts AND does it pose a danger to this Republic of ours?
Hi, Dusty…sorry I missed you!
Liberation theology is simply theology from the perspective of the oppressed.
There are many variations on it.
It isn’t a threat, it’s a perspective…some of it’s proponents are Marxist or influenced by Marxism.
I would also note that much liberation theology was written in response to illegal and immoral American interventions in Central and South America that led to thousands of deaths among the poorest.
Em. The Catholic Church was likely the only social institution on the side of the poor in Latin America. It cerainly wasn’t going to be business, Evangelicalism or US foreign policy. There where some segments of the Democratic Party that did. I would not consider it to be in any way a threat. If people are poor, afraid maltreated or whatever, Mon-Sat, it can’t help but be a topic of conversation on Sunday.
I appreciate the input, Michael and Nathan. Looks like my next rabbit trail will be chasing down the history of U.S. interventions in central and south america……
Fri afternoon I felt overwhelmed with discouragement. I think it was reporting of Transition issues and the cyber attacks. I keep having a sense of anxiety regarding normal functioning of our society.
Ours is the most complex system on Earth and no safety mechanisms exist outside our society to restore order. The maxim that something is unprecedented, until it happens for the first time, has been especially timely these past several years.
Among my concerns, is unity of command.
-The Assad Regime was able to withstand rebel attack and was reinforced by Russia.
-The French Republic collapsed in 1940.
-Soviet forces are overwhelmed in 1941 when the command structure is paralyzed.
The 2nd and 3rd crises where difficult or impossible to reverse without outside assistance. My point is no such assistance is standing by for the US should our government be unable to issue coherent orders.
I know most here are a bit jubilant over Biden’s success, but he and his running mate do not look like patriots to me….
Sadly, this may still be God’s will for the U.S. of A. As may be the covid epidemic, the proud boys and the BLM and some other extreme activists. …. Dunno ….. ? ? ?
Em,
I honestly don’t know anyone who was jubilant about the ticket.
I was relieved because I think that the current president is the most dangerous leader of my lifetime.
He terrifies me and I don’t think we’re out of the woods yet.
Nathan,
Very scary stuff to contemplate…
Michael. I certainly feel like our system is highly unstable. It’s a polarized government and society, and that was bad enough without additional crises piling on.
I also feel an urgency to formulate a personal theory of everything, so to speak.
Bidden has more patriotism in his blood, if that still means pride and promotion of American values in the world, than the incumbent has in his whole body.
If Trump was patriotic, he would pay off his personal debts owed to Russia, so that he could start defending American interests in the face of Russian aggression.
@5:08
? ? ? ? ? ….. 😳
Nathan,
I am in the middle of writing an article on a similar theme to what you’re commenting on. The way I process this is by recognizing that this life is a drop in the bucket next to eternity. It’s too insignificant to get stressed out about. We have a greater home in store for us. May we fix our gaze there.
Em,
Trump quit his job in November, though he never treated it as full time.
Now the Russians have attacked the US with the greatest cyber attack in US history, which Pompeo and Rubeo both have attributed to Russia, but still Trump won’t acknowledge.
We have a guy who wants to keep a job that he doesn’t want to do.
Not to mention the lives lost already to the virus due to his dereliction, disinterest, lack of empathy and fictitious theories.
I think someone may be confusing our President with God….
Some things are beyond human capacities. AND some things are departmental…. AND some things are addressed according to education…. Among us mortals. … 😉
Jean uses his anti Trump rhetoric as an non pharmacutical Viagra.
It’s not a pretty sight.
Trump quit in November? Let’s see,
1.) he promised 6 months ago to deliver a vaccine, while Jean, Biden and the other anti Trumper laughed and swore they would not take anything Trump delivered (as if he was brewing it himself in the White House basement) – and here it is December and it is in full swing.
2.) After he quit in November his administration oversaw the 4th Middle East peace agreement.
3.) Just yesterday after quitting in November, Trump signed a stop gap measure to fund the government while an incompetent Congress couldn’t find their own butts with both hands.
4.) In November, after quitting, Trump was producing enough great domestic and international economic news to send the Dow surging over 30,000.
But hey, hate on. The sore winners can’t even make it another month without melting.
MLD,
Since civics isn’t your strong suit, shall I point out that it was CONGRESS that passed that stopgap spending bill that Trump signed? They were obviously able to find that with their hands.
But their job is to pass a budget. They failed.
They still have not had a budget this year – they only do temporary fixes.
Trump didn’t have to sign it – he could have, actually he should have forced their hand.
But being a gracious leader, he saved the nation from congressional incompetence.
Amen, MLD, amen
Trouble is some think that, if you’re not on the liberal bandwagon, you’re ignert… 🙆
Em,
It’s not really a concern only of liberals.
When President Obama was running in 2008, he made a statement that was widely condemned by the right at the time. He said regarding the prosperity of the upper class: “You didn’t build this.” What he meant, which is a true statement, is that if not for the laws that govern the American economy, the justice system which defends it, the armed forces who protect it, our education system, and the work ethic of the American worker, business owners couldn’t be successful all by themselves.
Thus, a business owner stands on the shoulders of those who make his or her success possible. Everyone should recognize this.
However, President Trump has gone a huge step beyond what Obama said, which apparently many of his followers agree with. Trump has said on more than one occasion: “I built the greatest economy ever.” Trump takes personal credit for the economy, the Stock Market, and the hard work and ideas of the entrepreneurs, the working people, and everyone else who actually builds our economy.
The stock market has done very well since November 3rd, not because of Trump’s contribution (which has been zilch, unless you count Twitter outbursts and crazy press briefings), but because the stock and financial markets anticipate that the incoming administration will be favorable for the economy. The markets are forward looking. The markets represent the collective wisdom of millions of investors who make buy and sell decisions every day; it’s a vote with the pocket book, so to speak.
So, it’s plain ignorant to attribute the market increase since November 3rd to Trump.
In fact, we may see a step up in the market tomorrow from the agreement reached this weekend on a new 900 B recovery bill, unless that was priced in last week, in which case the markets may sell off on the news (There’s an old investor saying: Buy the rumor; sell the news). Trump played no part in the new bill. He is devoted to Twitter and his conspiracy theory friends and doesn’t seem to give a rip about the American people.
Also, I would hope that it is not only liberals who care about national security. Trump certainly doesn’t. Once again, Trump exhibits the characteristics of a man who is indebted to a foreign country, i.e., who is compromised. What Russian has on him I have no idea. But conservative as well as liberal American patriots would like the problem addressed and our sovereignty protected.
Weell, not convinced of all your Trump accusations, Jean, but with a Biden Harris combo all should be well…..
Honest request and change of subject…
Anyone have a good recommendation for online Christmas eve/morning/day service? Not looking for anything that starts with a rock band, but something more reverential and contemplative. Wife and I not comfortable to going to even a socially distanced in-house gathering.
Dan, check out EWTN maybe ? ? ?
Due for a little humor
Heard someone say that God gave us a brain to think with and a butt to sit on. … Heads you win, tails you lose
Might be an oldue? Dunno. 😋
Sigh… oldie NOT oldue….. 😏
An Open Blogging good day report.
Divine Worship service
Bible study
Trip to Home Depot
Lunch at Culver’s
and I plopped down for 3 hours watching the Cardinals beat the Eagle. 🙂
MLD, sounds like a great day! I didn’t know you had Culver’s down in AZ. I love their burgers and concrete mixers.
Jean. Im not looking for a Trump/Russian disclosure. Should something emerge, I don’t know how much importance I would give it. It’s an… is what it is situation. It just doesn’t matter. It’s unlikely for any significant change in support one way or the other.
Nor would I say market valuations should not be attached to Trump. We traditionaly assign blame or credit to the specific Administration in power. Credit goes to the administration it’s due, regardless of the underlying cause.
Dan, Culver’s has opened several in AZ – I am sure they are catering to the large numbers who flock here each winter from the upper midwest.
Dan
Nine Lessons and Carols from King’s College, Cambridge… usually on PBS or BBC America…
Would Kenneth Copeland be considered a mainstream evangelical or a fringe personality? I am asking to try and figure out if his views are held in high esteem by a wide or narrow swath of Evangelicals.
Thanks for the suggestions Duane and Em.
MLD, we just got Culver’s down here in GA the last few years, including one about 3 miles from home!
Jean, the view from my porch is that Copeland is borderline fringe. Seems like he’s more popular with Pentecostals than Evangelicals. I certainly don’t consider him a mainstream Evangelical. I would put him in a group with Kenneth Hagin, Oral and Richard Roberts, Robert Tilton (ugh), and Benny Hinn…the “prosperity gospel” crowd. I dabbled in Hagin’s writings as a new believer (shudder), but thankfully soon found them wanting, insufficient, and flat out false.
Copeland is a heretic who believes there are 9 person in the Trinity. There are 3 persons in the Father, 3 in the Son, and 3 persons in the Holy Spirit.
Beyond that, he is wrong about everything else.
I know that he used to teach that God was 28 feet tall and had hands the size of basketballs and that we are gods – as in actual gods – God created Adam because he wanted to reproduce himself.
Thanks Dan. I am comforted by your response. His latest preaching and the prayers he is asking Christians to pray on his website are quite troubling. I noticed that Michelle Bachman is a contributor on his website.
Sad to hear about Bachman. She was a lifelong Lutheran who fostered over 20 kids during the 90s.
Left the Lutheran Church (WELS) and became an evangelical. Now I guess with her association with Copeland, she is now dining at the table of Satan.
But it happens too many times.
Someone asked last week about John Warwick Montgomery and specifically if he was still alive. The answer is yes and at 89 it doesn’t seem like he has slowed down. I am a regular consumer of his materials and have been for about 40 yrs.
He still leads the International Academy of Apologetics, Evangelism & Human Rights in Strasbourg, France, holds a seat as research professor at Concordia University Wisconsin – and is a regular contributor at 1517 dot org and on the radio program Issues, etc. He still edits the online journal Global Journal of Classic Theology.
I was going through some of my things and ran across this old journal article out of the Lutheran Synod Journal from 1970 – probably the one thing that got me going in Apologetics – which concluded in my receiving an MA in Apologetics under him.
http://www.blts.edu/wp-content/uploads/lsq/11-1.pdf
In 1984 after I had completed a 3 yr Bible course through Liberty Baptist College (now the infamous Liberty U) my Baptist pastor suggested I look into the Apologetics program at Simon Greenleaf – a SoCal law school that offered a MA in Apologetics. That is where I first met the infamous JWM who I knew from his radio program Christianity on Trial.
The school was very non denominational as the discipline of apologetics is. At the time, I didn’t really know who Lutherans were – didn’t even know that the 3 “big” guys were Lutherans. As it turned out, my mentors over the next 3 years were JWM, Charles Manske (the founding mover and President of Christ College in Irvine CA – later to become Concordia University Irvine) and Rod Rosenbladt, professor of Systematic Theology at Christ College / CUI and later to become one of the co hosts on The White Horse Inn for the next 25 years.
Anyway, whoever asked the question last week about JWM, brought back some memories.
Copeland would be considered a heretic (still) even in traditional Pentecostal circles, let alone evangelical. Same for Paula White. Anyone who would consider Copeland a mainstream evangelical either has no idea what the term has ever meant or is broad-brushing in bad faith.
MLD,
Rod Rosenbladt (along with the other guys) had some good stuff on The White Horse Inn.
‘a living hope’ “because it is imperishable. Other hopes fade like withering flowers. The hopes of the rich, the boasts of the proud, all these will die out as a candle when it flickers in the socket. The hope of the greatest monarch has been crushed before our eyes; he has set up the standard of victory too soon and has seen it trailed in the mire. There is no unwaning hope beneath the changeful moon: the only imperishable hope is that which climbs above the stars, and fixes itself upon the throne of God and the person of Jesus Christ.” (Spurgeon)