31 At that very hour some Pharisees came and said to him, “Get away from here, for Herod wants to kill you.” 32 And he said to them, “Go and tell that fox, ‘Behold, I cast out demons and perform cures today and tomorrow, and the third day I finish my course. 33 Nevertheless, I must go on my way today and tomorrow and the day following, for it cannot be that a prophet should perish away from Jerusalem.’ 34 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to it! How often would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you were not willing! 35 Behold, your house is forsaken. And I tell you, you will not see me until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord!’ ”
The Holy Bible: English Standard Version (Wheaton: Standard Bible Society, 2001), Lk 13:31–35.
3 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures,
The Holy Bible: English Standard Version (Wheaton: Standard Bible Society, 2001), 1 Co 15:3–4.
I know a lot of people don’t care for John Piper and at times I find him odd and disagree with him.
However, my wife and I were both blessed by this devotional last night that I read in “Taste and See: Savoring the Supremacy of God in All of Life”
Here it is online: http://www.desiringgod.org/articles/they-gave-it-their-best-shot-in-vain
It is about what Jesus is doing when you think He is dead and buried.
Brodersen reportedly hit his daughter in the head causing her ear to bleed. Quite the role model for Calvary Chapel. Just what we need in leadership telling others what to do and how to do it. No wonder Bob Grenier is safe in Calvary Chapel.
I would be interested to hear if people still memorize scripture these days and if so, what are some techniques you use.
Scripture memorization was a big deal in Baptist church circles when I was younger and lately, I’ve been trying to incorporate it in my routine.
Working on psalms 103 right now.
Interested to see if others still do it as adults or was it just a kid thing.
The collapse of the hegemony of the KJV and the advent of great search engines and electronic Bibles (plus other things) have quashed Bible memorization. I do not practice it any longer, sad but true.
I was good at memorization when I was younger.
That would be back in the KJV days.
Alan makes a lot of sense. With the advent of so many translations sometimes it is harder to memorize, especially when you use a couple.
I tried my hand a few years back with this method. http://timmybrister.com/2010/12/partnering-to-remember-the-2011-philippians-memory-moleskine/
It worked, but I only got a chapter and a half in when life distracted me. No one to blame but myself.
Now, I think that for the main part, I just read and would rather be as familiar as possible with it.
A lot of times this works out with the Spirit bringing scripture to mind when needed. John 14:26
Actually, I think the online resources enhance bible memorization. I have big chunks memorized due to repetition from reading and citing passages over and over etc.
I study from Bullinger’s Companion Bible. Its margins contain a wealth of information and its appendices are extensive, with scholarship and accessibility found nowhere else in a single volume. Bullinger took great pains to not make it a commentary, but rather to simply supply factual info so that the reader can make his or her own applications & conclusions on Holy Writ. It’s KJV and I like it that way, I prefer the old Elizabethan prose to the modern derivatives which have become legion. I remember an old Twilight Zone episode from way back in the Rod Serling days in which actor Burgess Meredith recited the 23rd Psalm. It just doesn’t have the same ring to it in present day English dialect.
I use the ESV now, but I have found myself checking it in biblegateway.com a lot with the KJV.
I grew up with it, it is the most familiar translation around.
Muff, is right also. Psalm 23 doesn’t sound right in any version, but the KJV to me.
Derek thanks for the link. I’ve been using my phone/iPad for the words, but the moleskin is a great idea.
I really don’t want to use it as a study time as much a mulling around in my head time, so I didn’t want to spend time parsing the thing but I like having a place to jot ideas
Went to Easter service this evening and came home a bit down. After worship the pastor stated that after Easter he wanted the new folks to keep coming back and then he showed a promotional video announcing former Laker AC Green would be there next week. My heart sunk.
During the offering they showed another video promoting a 31 week series of studies based on the book “The Story” which is a trip through the Bible covering all sorts of topics. Books were for sale afterwards at a hugely discounted rate @ 2 for $10.00. My heart sunk again.
The pastor spoke to the visitors and stated he would love for them to make this church their home and cards were passed out for them to fill in information. It would allow them to speak directly to a pastor with questions which I liked and other information to keep in touch. My heart sunk again.
This past week I commented on the movie “Heaven Is For Real” and all of the problems I have with it and then throughout the week I see it advertised on most every Christian site I visited. I seem alone in this and am wondering if I am becoming too critical for my own good.
I know and understand people want to reach the lost although I don’t think that’s the aim of the movie yet I find myself being suspicious and critical of everything it seems.
The worship was nice and I love when there is a choir singing as it’s so beautiful and the pastor made several excellent points throughout the study. The church I was most comfortable with is a huge challenge due to my limitations in traveling so things are frustrating as we’re surrounded by churches and we are unable to find one to try and plant roots in. We’ll be visiting a tiny church next week.
If it is any consolation E, I feel about the same way about the whole “Heaven is for Real” thing.
I don’t thinking you are being to critical.
I also think a lot of Christianity is all flash trying to be substance.
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As for those speaking fees, MLD. I have never attended a church that would ever be able to afford those.
Maybe that is for the best.
MLD, They had two today with three tomorrow so we went today to make it easier for my wife who hasn’t been feeling good. Her elbow replacement surgery is in about five weeks and she’s having a lot of pain.
I didn’t think of a speaking fee. I do know the church is trying to reach the lost which I commend but I seem to find fault with stuff. Thanks for the response.
Derek, I am running into stuff like this everywhere it seems and the thing is we are surrounded by churches. My mindset used to be CC or bust but I’m not comfortable with the CC’s that are nearby. Thanks for commenting.
Finally heard from a Brodersen kid after running the story.
Kristyn (who seems like a very nice person) flatly denies any abuse, despite the claims by other Smith family and a close friend who confirmed the incident Michael A. posted (all in writing, all t’s crossed and i’s dotted).
I know I (and my brothers) lied for Bob G. for a long time to keep up appearances, you feel the pressure to do that as a PK and member of a dysfunctional family…but Kristyn has a good relationship with her folks to this day, so that says something.
I’m right there with you, erunner. Here’s a verse for you.
But what saith the answer of God unto [you]? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of sports celebs, nor resorted to reading The Story from the pulpit.
Rick Bob, pulling the story was the right thing to do if you can’t prove without a doubt that it actually happened. It also lends credibility to the issues with BG. I don’t doubt any of the BG issues at all because I spent 4 miserable hours with him and could see right through him.
I had a long diatribe, but I am tired of being against things. I just want peace, I just get so frustrated but I dont want to keep spewing on people’s lives. Please pray for me.
Mac is just wrong about CC and the Jesus movement. It’s as though he suspended his reason. Doesn’t the guy believe in research? I guess he was born a pastor and is exempt from life experience. I used to respect him but I think he’s gone loony Just a wee bit. Just enough to lose me.
Come and listen to a story about a man named Mac
A victim of hisself, couldn’t keep his bias back
Then one day he was shootin at some dude,
And up from his heart came a bubblin crude.
Lies that is, no facts, Texas brag.
Well the next thing you know ol Mac’s a sorry joke,
Christians said “Mac don’t you judge them folk”
Said “higher ground is the place you ought to be”
So they loaded up Mac and he moved to irrelevancy.
Gone, that is. Swimmin pools, movie stars.
(ENDING)
Well now its time to say good by to Mac and all his ilk.
And I would like to thank him for this 2% milk
He’s invited back sometime to Christianity
To have a heapin helpin of his own humanity.
Hillybilly that is. Set a spell, Take your shoes off.
Hey MLD….is it unusual for a Missouri Synod Lutheran church that is active to rent space on a Sunday morning to an Anglican Church for their Sunday services?
lol silly me. but seriously, if you look at the books, not the obligated pie chart, you would be surprised, at least I was, at how much was being spent and on what…seems wasteful to me
Steve,
I don’t think is done very often, but I don’t see anything wrong with doing so. We all use toilet seat covers, so I don’t there is a fear of catching Anglican koodies.
It could be that the Anglican church was one that went through the homosexual coup of the Anglican church and they lost their property – or it could just be a source of income for a church.
We rented out our fellowship hall for a year to an Hispanic congregation who lost their use of the facilities at the Baptist church next door to use – so we took them in. However, it was with the intention of them eventually becoming Lutheran. We had dreams of seeing all those Hispanics singing German hymns 😉 When they didn’t move in our direction we did give them notice and asked them to leave.
Thank you gomer girl. Gary… no problem although sometimes I have to pay attention to try and get what you’re saying! 🙂
I looked it up and AC Green does charge between 5 and 10 thousand to speak.
So then how does one determine if that type of expense is worthwhile? The church we were at is using this as a huge opportunity to bring in people from the surrounding area to hear the gospel.
The pessimistic view is they’re hoping for new members who will then tithe and the money will be made up. The hopeful view is they want to see people come to Christ and the investment is worth it.
I have to imagine other churches bring in guest speakers from outside as well.
Erunner, I was shocked when I read that a church spend $5K on a guest speaker. Absolutely crazy! Can you imagine how many missionaries that would help support over a year! Imagine how many other ministries that money could go for, and the pastor could easily read the guy’s book and tell any pertinent or edifying stories or illustrations if he thought what the guy had to say was so important. $5,000! Yikes!!!
Nonnie, I’m trying really hard to not be cynical as right now I can’t figure it out. I think I’ve seen big names at many other churches as guest speakers and those churches for the most part people wouldn’t have issues with. Because if there is no good reason for that type expense it doesn’t seem like any church doing this is worth our attending?? That’s why I’m trying to see an upside. I feel as if I’m too cynical already….
Steve,
Don’t misunderstand me – it’s not the working together on like a clean water project that is the issue – it’s when it crosses over to evangelism during the work. it causes confusion.
MLD…. it seems this is more for the lost in the area as opposed to those in the pews. I know they are going out into the community to get the word out. But then do we need AC to reach the lost?? I’m trying hard to see an upside.
I had trouble understanding why a pastor who stepped in while the church pastor was gone would receive an honorarium. I figured they’d share at no charge. So it begs the question do well know pastors and authors all get paid to come speak? I’m afraid the answer is yes.
e,
In the 8 yrs I have been at my church we have not had a single ‘guest’ speaker. When the pastor is away, the assistant pastor (if we have one at the time) speaks – in lieu of that we have 2 retired pastors in our congregation and a couple of Concordia U professor who are also pastors.
I could see AC Green at a men’s conference – I can’t imagine that he is a Sunday morning preacher … but perhaps he is. I wonder how many folks, out on the streets remember who AC Green is. 🙂
MLD, I would much rather someone like him NOT be in the pulpit on Sunday but at a midweek or Saturday service if at all. I think I’m becoming more like you!! 🙂 Yikes!!!
e,
Perhaps my church could use a good guest speaker to stoke the coals. 🙂 The issue is, he would need to be a Lutheran pastor – I don’t know that there are any celebrities in that category. Perhaps we could petition the synod president to come speak.
** A little know fact – our Synod President, the guy in charge of the LCMS, is an assistant pastor at a local St Louis church.
It’s all yours today…
31 At that very hour some Pharisees came and said to him, “Get away from here, for Herod wants to kill you.” 32 And he said to them, “Go and tell that fox, ‘Behold, I cast out demons and perform cures today and tomorrow, and the third day I finish my course. 33 Nevertheless, I must go on my way today and tomorrow and the day following, for it cannot be that a prophet should perish away from Jerusalem.’ 34 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to it! How often would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you were not willing! 35 Behold, your house is forsaken. And I tell you, you will not see me until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord!’ ”
The Holy Bible: English Standard Version (Wheaton: Standard Bible Society, 2001), Lk 13:31–35.
Easter music is up for this week. Feel free to drop by.
http://morethancoping.wordpress.com/2014/04/17/easter-praise-worship-april-18th-2014/
3 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures,
The Holy Bible: English Standard Version (Wheaton: Standard Bible Society, 2001), 1 Co 15:3–4.
I know a lot of people don’t care for John Piper and at times I find him odd and disagree with him.
However, my wife and I were both blessed by this devotional last night that I read in “Taste and See: Savoring the Supremacy of God in All of Life”
Here it is online:
http://www.desiringgod.org/articles/they-gave-it-their-best-shot-in-vain
It is about what Jesus is doing when you think He is dead and buried.
God raised him up, loosing the pangs of death, because it was not possible for him to be held by it.
Acts 2:24 ESV
Great article from Piper, Derek. Thanks for the link.
“Trust him and go with him, no matter what. You cannot lose in the end. Awed by his freedom and quiet power,”
Brodersen reportedly hit his daughter in the head causing her ear to bleed. Quite the role model for Calvary Chapel. Just what we need in leadership telling others what to do and how to do it. No wonder Bob Grenier is safe in Calvary Chapel.
http://calvarychapelabuse.com/wordpress/brian-brodersen-calvary-chapel-costa-mesa-pastor-hit-his-daughter-in-the-head-causing-her-ear-to-bleed-according-to-smith-family-members-corroborated-by-other-smith-family-and-close-friends-of-the/
I would be interested to hear if people still memorize scripture these days and if so, what are some techniques you use.
Scripture memorization was a big deal in Baptist church circles when I was younger and lately, I’ve been trying to incorporate it in my routine.
Working on psalms 103 right now.
Interested to see if others still do it as adults or was it just a kid thing.
Great question London.
I don’t practice it as a discipline, but I’d be interested in the responses.
The collapse of the hegemony of the KJV and the advent of great search engines and electronic Bibles (plus other things) have quashed Bible memorization. I do not practice it any longer, sad but true.
I was good at memorization when I was younger.
That would be back in the KJV days.
Alan makes a lot of sense. With the advent of so many translations sometimes it is harder to memorize, especially when you use a couple.
I tried my hand a few years back with this method.
http://timmybrister.com/2010/12/partnering-to-remember-the-2011-philippians-memory-moleskine/
It worked, but I only got a chapter and a half in when life distracted me. No one to blame but myself.
Now, I think that for the main part, I just read and would rather be as familiar as possible with it.
A lot of times this works out with the Spirit bringing scripture to mind when needed. John 14:26
There must be a link between the KJV and memorization. People I know who memorize scripture do/did so from the KJV. I did too.
Started with the KJV.
After I was baptized, my Mom and Dad bought me a KJV/NIV Parallel.
Actually, I think the online resources enhance bible memorization. I have big chunks memorized due to repetition from reading and citing passages over and over etc.
The KJV is written at the lowest grade school level with the most one syllable words of any other translation – hands down.
Yes, some of those words are archaic – but it makes for a greater ease of memorization.
John 1:13 in KJV – all one syllable “Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.”
Check out the NIV – “children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.”
One more reason to flush the NIV
I study from Bullinger’s Companion Bible. Its margins contain a wealth of information and its appendices are extensive, with scholarship and accessibility found nowhere else in a single volume. Bullinger took great pains to not make it a commentary, but rather to simply supply factual info so that the reader can make his or her own applications & conclusions on Holy Writ. It’s KJV and I like it that way, I prefer the old Elizabethan prose to the modern derivatives which have become legion. I remember an old Twilight Zone episode from way back in the Rod Serling days in which actor Burgess Meredith recited the 23rd Psalm. It just doesn’t have the same ring to it in present day English dialect.
I used bible gateway till I found a version I thought I could remember, then went with it.
In my opinion, the King James Bible is also a sublime work of art for the ages.
I use the ESV now, but I have found myself checking it in biblegateway.com a lot with the KJV.
I grew up with it, it is the most familiar translation around.
Muff, is right also. Psalm 23 doesn’t sound right in any version, but the KJV to me.
Muff- yeah, then he lost his glasses. Or was that another episode?
Derek thanks for the link. I’ve been using my phone/iPad for the words, but the moleskin is a great idea.
I really don’t want to use it as a study time as much a mulling around in my head time, so I didn’t want to spend time parsing the thing but I like having a place to jot ideas
Gary, the episode is called The Obsolete Man, here’s the you tube link:
The KJV is a classic.Yet in my 30 years as a believer it never bonded with me.I read and think in a plain modern language.ESV-NASB are my favorites.
The KJV has, by far, the most entertaining descriptions of things:
“privy member” is one of the best LOL.
I am not a Calvinist nor an arminian, so this is funny – Michael, even you must laugh at this. 🙂
Hitler Finds Out Arminian Theology is True
Click it at the top so you can watch in YouTube and read the words.
Gary’s thinking of “Time Enough at Last” (one of the few I remember the title to without looking up)
“Time Enough at Last” is definitely a classic.
Happy Easter everyone (((hugs)))
Went to Easter service this evening and came home a bit down. After worship the pastor stated that after Easter he wanted the new folks to keep coming back and then he showed a promotional video announcing former Laker AC Green would be there next week. My heart sunk.
During the offering they showed another video promoting a 31 week series of studies based on the book “The Story” which is a trip through the Bible covering all sorts of topics. Books were for sale afterwards at a hugely discounted rate @ 2 for $10.00. My heart sunk again.
The pastor spoke to the visitors and stated he would love for them to make this church their home and cards were passed out for them to fill in information. It would allow them to speak directly to a pastor with questions which I liked and other information to keep in touch. My heart sunk again.
This past week I commented on the movie “Heaven Is For Real” and all of the problems I have with it and then throughout the week I see it advertised on most every Christian site I visited. I seem alone in this and am wondering if I am becoming too critical for my own good.
I know and understand people want to reach the lost although I don’t think that’s the aim of the movie yet I find myself being suspicious and critical of everything it seems.
The worship was nice and I love when there is a choir singing as it’s so beautiful and the pastor made several excellent points throughout the study. The church I was most comfortable with is a huge challenge due to my limitations in traveling so things are frustrating as we’re surrounded by churches and we are unable to find one to try and plant roots in. We’ll be visiting a tiny church next week.
So sorry ebrother…..will be praying for you and your better half.
e,
I have a bigger concern. How did you have an Easter service before Easter? 🙂
I just got back from Easter vigil … as the body lays in the tomb.
It could be worse – AC Green’s speaking fee in only $5K – $10K // Magic is $50K
You had to make it worse MLD, by reminding him of the speaking fees. 🙁
If it is any consolation E, I feel about the same way about the whole “Heaven is for Real” thing.
I don’t thinking you are being to critical.
I also think a lot of Christianity is all flash trying to be substance.
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As for those speaking fees, MLD. I have never attended a church that would ever be able to afford those.
Maybe that is for the best.
Thanks Dusty.
MLD, They had two today with three tomorrow so we went today to make it easier for my wife who hasn’t been feeling good. Her elbow replacement surgery is in about five weeks and she’s having a lot of pain.
I didn’t think of a speaking fee. I do know the church is trying to reach the lost which I commend but I seem to find fault with stuff. Thanks for the response.
Im with ebrother and derek on the shows…..small informal settings for me.
Derek, I am running into stuff like this everywhere it seems and the thing is we are surrounded by churches. My mindset used to be CC or bust but I’m not comfortable with the CC’s that are nearby. Thanks for commenting.
Erunner…. I hear you. We live in a time of plenty but starve for lack of real food.
Blessed Easter everyone.
Finally heard from a Brodersen kid after running the story.
Kristyn (who seems like a very nice person) flatly denies any abuse, despite the claims by other Smith family and a close friend who confirmed the incident Michael A. posted (all in writing, all t’s crossed and i’s dotted).
But, the daughter says no, so that trumps the others IMO so I pulled the original story and replaced it with this now that I have that info: http://calvarychapelabuse.com/wordpress/brian-brodersens-daughter-denies-any-abuse/
I know I (and my brothers) lied for Bob G. for a long time to keep up appearances, you feel the pressure to do that as a PK and member of a dysfunctional family…but Kristyn has a good relationship with her folks to this day, so that says something.
Sometimes, I think we have pandered to much and that it didn’t start with the Millenials.
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/anxiousbench/2014/04/churches-pandering-to-millennials/
I’m right there with you, erunner. Here’s a verse for you.
But what saith the answer of God unto [you]? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of sports celebs, nor resorted to reading The Story from the pulpit.
Rick Bob, pulling the story was the right thing to do if you can’t prove without a doubt that it actually happened. It also lends credibility to the issues with BG. I don’t doubt any of the BG issues at all because I spent 4 miserable hours with him and could see right through him.
I had a long diatribe, but I am tired of being against things. I just want peace, I just get so frustrated but I dont want to keep spewing on people’s lives. Please pray for me.
Calvary chapel’s new pastor speaks about Calvary Chapel:
http://youtu.be/uv3ZXcsWWYQ
erunner,
I hope you don’t think my comment was flippant. I had a similar Easter experience yesterday.
Mac is just wrong about CC and the Jesus movement. It’s as though he suspended his reason. Doesn’t the guy believe in research? I guess he was born a pastor and is exempt from life experience. I used to respect him but I think he’s gone loony Just a wee bit. Just enough to lose me.
Come and listen to a story about a man named Mac
A victim of hisself, couldn’t keep his bias back
Then one day he was shootin at some dude,
And up from his heart came a bubblin crude.
Lies that is, no facts, Texas brag.
Well the next thing you know ol Mac’s a sorry joke,
Christians said “Mac don’t you judge them folk”
Said “higher ground is the place you ought to be”
So they loaded up Mac and he moved to irrelevancy.
Gone, that is. Swimmin pools, movie stars.
(ENDING)
Well now its time to say good by to Mac and all his ilk.
And I would like to thank him for this 2% milk
He’s invited back sometime to Christianity
To have a heapin helpin of his own humanity.
Hillybilly that is. Set a spell, Take your shoes off.
Hey MLD….is it unusual for a Missouri Synod Lutheran church that is active to rent space on a Sunday morning to an Anglican Church for their Sunday services?
Re: number 34. Seriously……churches are paying 5 to 10 thousand dollars for a speaker?
Nonnie, they are paying that for postage and copy machines as well!
I was referring to a guest speaker. 😀
lol silly me. but seriously, if you look at the books, not the obligated pie chart, you would be surprised, at least I was, at how much was being spent and on what…seems wasteful to me
Steve,
I don’t think is done very often, but I don’t see anything wrong with doing so. We all use toilet seat covers, so I don’t there is a fear of catching Anglican koodies.
It could be that the Anglican church was one that went through the homosexual coup of the Anglican church and they lost their property – or it could just be a source of income for a church.
We rented out our fellowship hall for a year to an Hispanic congregation who lost their use of the facilities at the Baptist church next door to use – so we took them in. However, it was with the intention of them eventually becoming Lutheran. We had dreams of seeing all those Hispanics singing German hymns 😉 When they didn’t move in our direction we did give them notice and asked them to leave.
Thank you gomer girl. Gary… no problem although sometimes I have to pay attention to try and get what you’re saying! 🙂
I looked it up and AC Green does charge between 5 and 10 thousand to speak.
So then how does one determine if that type of expense is worthwhile? The church we were at is using this as a huge opportunity to bring in people from the surrounding area to hear the gospel.
The pessimistic view is they’re hoping for new members who will then tithe and the money will be made up. The hopeful view is they want to see people come to Christ and the investment is worth it.
I have to imagine other churches bring in guest speakers from outside as well.
So when is this type expense justified??
Erunner, I was shocked when I read that a church spend $5K on a guest speaker. Absolutely crazy! Can you imagine how many missionaries that would help support over a year! Imagine how many other ministries that money could go for, and the pastor could easily read the guy’s book and tell any pertinent or edifying stories or illustrations if he thought what the guy had to say was so important. $5,000! Yikes!!!
Thanks MLD – I mainly asked because of what you have said about doing ministry with other groups…did not know if that fit…
Nonnie, I’m trying really hard to not be cynical as right now I can’t figure it out. I think I’ve seen big names at many other churches as guest speakers and those churches for the most part people wouldn’t have issues with. Because if there is no good reason for that type expense it doesn’t seem like any church doing this is worth our attending?? That’s why I’m trying to see an upside. I feel as if I’m too cynical already….
e,
Look, the people are not satisfied having their ears tickled by lite Christianity – now they need to be tickled by celebrity speakers.
Steve,
Don’t misunderstand me – it’s not the working together on like a clean water project that is the issue – it’s when it crosses over to evangelism during the work. it causes confusion.
MLD…. it seems this is more for the lost in the area as opposed to those in the pews. I know they are going out into the community to get the word out. But then do we need AC to reach the lost?? I’m trying hard to see an upside.
I had trouble understanding why a pastor who stepped in while the church pastor was gone would receive an honorarium. I figured they’d share at no charge. So it begs the question do well know pastors and authors all get paid to come speak? I’m afraid the answer is yes.
e,
In the 8 yrs I have been at my church we have not had a single ‘guest’ speaker. When the pastor is away, the assistant pastor (if we have one at the time) speaks – in lieu of that we have 2 retired pastors in our congregation and a couple of Concordia U professor who are also pastors.
I could see AC Green at a men’s conference – I can’t imagine that he is a Sunday morning preacher … but perhaps he is. I wonder how many folks, out on the streets remember who AC Green is. 🙂
MLD, I would much rather someone like him NOT be in the pulpit on Sunday but at a midweek or Saturday service if at all. I think I’m becoming more like you!! 🙂 Yikes!!!
e,
Perhaps my church could use a good guest speaker to stoke the coals. 🙂 The issue is, he would need to be a Lutheran pastor – I don’t know that there are any celebrities in that category. Perhaps we could petition the synod president to come speak.
** A little know fact – our Synod President, the guy in charge of the LCMS, is an assistant pastor at a local St Louis church.
You could bring in RiBo!!