The Weekend Word
The Seven Seals – 5-6
9 When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the witness they had borne.
- Under the altar – there is an altar in heaven
- The souls of martyrs = witnesses
- The 5th seal shows us the Church at worship. This is the suffering church that lives under the cross, under attack.
- This church appears to be executed, and weak, dying and dead as far as the world is concerned – but this is not so!
10 They cried out with a loud voice, “O Sovereign Lord, holy and true, how long before you will judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?”
- This church consists of praise and lament. This is the way it has always been with OT Israel – they always lamented their situation – their exile – the apparent absence of God.
- Humanly speaking this can’t be understood because it is unexplainable. See;
- Psalm 74:1– “O God, why do you cast us off forever? Why does your anger smoke against the sheep of your pasture?”
- Psalm 44:23 – “Awake! Why are you sleeping, O Lord? Rouse yourself! Do not reject us forever!”
- Jeremiah 14:19 – “Have you utterly rejected Judah? Does your soul loathe Zion? Why have you struck us down so that there is no healing for us?
We looked for peace, but no good came; for a time of healing, but behold, terror.” - At the same time, note the praise – ““O Sovereign Lord, holy and true”
- “…on those who dwell on the earth?” = Code word for unbelievers.
11 Then they were each given a white robe and told to rest a little longer, until the number of their fellow servants and their brothers should be complete, who were to be killed as they themselves had been.
- But right on the heels of this lament they are given reward – the white robe – the righteousness of Christ.
- This is a baptismal scene – a reminder of who you are so that you can live as a baptized believer – even in the midst of what is happening.
- Even in the face of the opening of the first four seals. Remember why these have been slain (v.9)
- This is all still happening today – all over the world.
- White robes bring to mind the wedding garment.
- White = purity and victory – and in this context, purity and victory in Christ
- They had conquered in Christ – How? By their death. Who would expect that?
12 When he opened the sixth seal, I looked, and behold, there was a great earthquake, and the sun became black as sackcloth, the full moon became like blood,
- It sounds like Judgment Day here (v.12-16) – we have heard this language before – Haggai – Joel – Matthew 24. This is the end of the world.
- The same will be repeated when we see the 6th Trumpet – a recapitulation of the end.
- Isaiah 50:3 – Joel – Mark 13
13 and the stars of the sky fell to the earth as the fig tree sheds its winter fruit when shaken by a gale.
- It is amazing to look at those who look to the skies to know the future, to make their plans and have hope and security – and it will all be shaken.
- The sun, the moon, the stars will be gone – all wiped out.
14 The sky vanished like a scroll that is being rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place.
- It gets worse – even the sky itself rolls up, like the blinds in your living room.
- Islands no more – Mountains no more – It seems impossible, but many today in their teaching deny that here in Revelation 6 that this is the end – they want to compare it more like a knockdown punch instead of a knockout.
15 Then the kings of the earth and the great ones and the generals and the rich and the powerful, and everyone, slave and free, hid themselves in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains,
- This judgment will come on the inhabitants of the earth – namely the unbeliever. Can you hide from that judgment? They will try.
- Who are these inhabitants of the earth? Here in Revelation 6 it seems to be very specific – look at the list;
- Everybody – The Kings of the Earth – The Great Ones – The Generals – The Rich & Powerful – Slave & Free.
- Every part of society will be helpless when they face God on the last day.
- Political power – Royal power – Social power – Economic power
- All power will be worthless on that day (The Last Day)
- No one will be able to bribe or manipulate or pressure or intimidate their way out.
16 calling to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who is seated on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb,
- This is the ironic part that shows the heart of unbelief – These guys even properly identify who this wrath is coming from, but instead of repenting they would rather be killed in an avalanche than to be in the presence of Jesus.
- What does the sinful man do in the presence of the Holy God? Run and hide.
17 for the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand?”
- Who can stand? No one! Who else has asked this? Nahum & Malachi.
- The sinner cannot – left to ourselves what do we do? Run & hide from God.
- What did Adam & Eve do? Ran & hid.
- Only those who have been clothed in white, the one who is redeemed, whose sins have been washed away in the blood of the lamb – they can stand!
With the birth, the perfect life, the death and resurrection of the lamb the last days had begun – this is a parallel of Matthew 24 – Mark 13 – Luke 21. The countdown to the Last Day began with the opening of the seal.
It began with the coming of Jesus at Bethlehem and continues until he comes on the Last Day – which is described in v. 17.
Soon, on that day Jesus will be visible and on that day he will vindicate his people and the question “how long” (v 10) will finally be answered for our eyes to see (It has already been answered) – and his wrath will come on the inhabitants of the earth.
- As we see the seals being opened, the trumpets being blow and the bowls being poured out, it will all be the same history. There is this repetitive pattern – similar to what we saw with the letters to the 7 churches.
- They each have the same pattern but each is distinct – just like each sermon has a distinct message.
- The same history – a spiraling effect of this history, perhaps amplified with each telling. Rev it up and say more than you ever expected.


Got all the grandkids out of the house after 2 weeks of their spring breaks – sat down to watch the Masters – go Jordan Spieth! and I remembered I had an article posted.
To me such language in this article is all last day stuff even the mention of God’s wrath. I don’t know how people lobby for a chronological reading of Revelation.
Well, MLD, one side or the other will be surprised, eh?
🙂
God keep
Em, a Buddhist can say the same thing when confronted with the claims of Christianity -it doesn’t matter, one of us will be surprised.
But since you are vocal in claiming the chronological position, how does life and time go on past this point where God’s wrath has caused the sun to black out, the mountains and islands to disappear and the sky itself to vanish?
I find that quite puzzling. This is chapter 6 not chapter 19.
MLD,
For those of us who grew up a- millennial, could you explain the chronological position? I’ve never heard that term used before in regards to Revelation. And how does your position contrast with the chronological position? Thanks.
Jean, as I said in the introduction my position is of recapitulation – the retelling of the same event of the church age over and over with each telling being told with a little more intensity.
Those who hold the literal and chronological position see chapter 6-19 as being a linear history of the time after the removal of the church (some hold the church removal at later times on this timeline) and having Israel as the subject of God’s wrath – each judgement progressing from the early tribulation period, to the middle and then to the eventual end.
As you can see the meaning of Revelation ends up having 2 different meanings, purposes and stories being told. Just one problem I see is Rev 11:15 says “Then the seventh angel blew his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he shall reign forever and ever.” – In chronological order, somehow in chapter 13 anti Christ begins his rule.
There is also this connection – the 6th & 7th seals, the 7th trumpet and the 7th bowls each end with the same biblical event – the 2nd coming of Jesus.
From my introduction a couple of months ago
Recapitulation
This is the style John uses telling the Revelation story – the story from God’s point of view. Some examples – (very simple and not comprehensive – just to get the thought rolling.) – at each stop, this is all end of the world language
• The 7 Seals (5:1 – 8:5) leads to the end = 6:12-17.
• The 7 Trumpets (8:6 – 11:19) leads to the end = 11:15-19
• The Interlude (12:1 – 14:20) leads to the end = 14:9-20
• The 7 Bowls (15:1 – 16:21) leads to the end = 16:17-21
• If the back half of Revelation were lost to the ages and ended at Rev 7:17, I am sure that the readers would have been satisfied that they had been shown the end and the following heavenly scene.
• If true, then this would show that John was not writing a chronology, but indeed, retelling the same history, over and over again.
I will admit, the Marty McFly version would be more convenient.
MLD, there is an element of repetition ultimately leading to an out pouring of the wrath of God, but your attempt to synopsize falls short at best… the questions your conclusions lead to are erroneous
Thus, i suggest an understanding of the logical conclusions that a dispensational interpretation leads to, including the millenium of Christ’s rule here, will be better understood from studying some good, scholarly adherents to this view
Hold to your view, give the rationale as you do, competently, but stick to what you seem to understand
Em, we see the wrath poured out here in chapter 6 – see v 17 = ” for the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand?”
There is no “leading up” to God’s wrath later – it came in ch 6.
How many Jigowatts of power do you think John used jumping around time like that? 🙂
(I’m just funning with you MLD. I like Back to the Future very much)
“Hold to your view, give the rationale as you do, competently, but stick to what you seem to understand”
If I remember correctly, MLD sat under and taught dispensationalism for 25 years. That he understands it is apparent. That he knows it’s weaknesses is being unveiled weekly. I’m sure MLD is eager to receive questions or biblical critique, if applicable.
Jean, it seems to me that MLD’s understanding was skewed by the end times hysterical speculation that swept thru the churches at that time… he does not present the view developed thru sound dispensational teaching well…
I have no problem at all with him presenting the view that he has concluded is the correct one as to how the end will play out… I even agree with much
But to be safe, keep looking up and pressing on ?
“he does not present the view developed thru sound dispensational teaching well…”
Do you have evidence for your accusation?
Em, I studied under Pentecost, Walvoord, Ryrie and Lightner. Taught it for over 20 yrs.
You can claim that I am lacking but you still have not addressed ‘the end’ language and God’s wrath raining down on everyone in chapter 6.
Please, give it a try.
We are talking no sun, or moon in normal function, no mountains, islands and most of all no sky. This is no preview to the end.
Josh – I know you are joking but I will add that John is not jumping around time – he is consistently telling the same account of the church age over and over. I like in ch 12 where he covers the entire birth, life, death, resurrection and ascension into heaven in 2 verses. The man has a point to make about Jesus and his church and he will not let up.
Well, MLD…. I have studied under none of those men and i’d like to leave your challenge unanswered as i am not a teacher…
The first 6 seals are a panoramic view of the playing out of the history of the last days (centuries) of satan’s time on earth
Skip to chapter 8, the opening of the 7th seal and i believe you get a description of the unfolding of the tribulation… It is easy to see a repetitive pattern that over the centuries intensifies until the Church is removed and the wrath of God is poured out
Chapter 15 sets the stage and chapter 16 begins describing what occurs when the vials or bowls of wrath begin to pour out on mankind
You misunderstand the purpose of the flowchart, which served to prove to me that there was no conflict in what the book of Revelation describes as the chapters unfold
We snag, for the most part, on the removal of the church before the wrath of God is poured out, the time period involved in this and the return of Christ for a mlilennial reign over mortal man… I am convinced of the logic of this sequence, but being mortal, i’m willing to wait and see… However, what you continue to describe as my view, isn’t
I haven’t started a conversation with this post and i am aware you’ll jump on it with inaccurate interpretation…. No matter… God keep
Em, I use the ESV – what page did the Apostle John put this flowchart – I may have skipped over it.:-)
Well, MLD, i guess Ill have to send you my translation ?
Em,
You should like this guy from the Master’s Seminary – purely dispensational. A short 2 1/2 min video about the church and Israel.
At 10 sec he states that the church is a very important phase of God’s kingdom program —- and then he goes off about Israel’s place.
The church is just a phase in God’s kingdom program? It’s not the crown, jewel?, the centerpiece? the all in all?
Look below it, many other clips you may be interested in.
https://www.tms.edu/news/tms-distinctives-has-the-church-replaced-israel/