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  1. Bob Sweat says:

    #6, I love it! I always spoke words that I needed to own. FIRST!

  2. Michael says:

    Bob has reclaimed that which is rightfully his… 🙂

  3. Papias says:

    Stealing #4 and #5.

    And typing them out on a cell phone = for extra points. 🙂

  4. Babylon's Dread says:

    I don’t “get” twitter enough to know how to get help watching it…

    Yesterday I preached about how Israel ended up being judged by the one they thought was coming to judge their enemies… It was my political sermon … You know Jesus was exceedingly political had he just been a spiritual guide there would be no cross.

  5. Bryan Stupar says:

    #4, #4, #4! (and #7) 🙂

  6. Josh Hamrick says:

    Re: #4 – I don’t know. I think people just like sinning better than holiness, and don’t want to be told otherwise.

  7. Michael says:

    BD,

    So true…one thing I do see as well is that in the OT God always blames the preachers before He deals with the politicians….

  8. Alex says:

    We’re having an Election Party.

    If Romney wins (though I like Ron Paul much much better)…we’ll celebrate.

    If 0bama wins….we’ll sell a lot of guns and ammo.

    …always a silver lining 🙂

  9. Michael says:

    Josh,

    It’s the kindness of God that leads to repentance…sinners know they’re sinners.

  10. David says:

    I like #5

  11. Josh Hamrick says:

    Oh, I agree mostly. Though I’m not sure sinners know they are sinners. Lots of strong deception out there.

    Just saying, I’m not sure our living out our faith would affect culture that much. People love to sin.

  12. Alex says:

    “9. I was thinking the other day about how much my theology has changed over the years as my relationship with God has deepened. The Holy Spirit leads you into all truth one step at a time…and you’re still stepping when you walk into glory.”

    Strange. I was thinking how little Theology matters as my relationship with God gets more real and personal and less mechanical and analytical.

    The further in the Journey, the more honest I am about questions, doubts, noticing contradictions in men, pastors, church, Scripture etc…the more I just say, “dunno” and beg God for mercy on me a sinner and hope for the best.

    “All Truth”…such a subjective proposition. I know God is Truth, I know what my conscience tells me is Truth. I perceive some things in Scripture that appear to be Truth, etc.

    But, we really do “see through a glass darkly”

  13. Josh Hamrick says:

    Let me add, we should live in the Love of God, even if the culture around us continues on to Hell in handbasket.

  14. Papias says:

    Josh – while I agree with your #6, I also think that people like to hear that they are “in the right camp”. And with that, there MAY be a sense in which those who are on the outside of the camp are wrong?
    Not only do people like to be right, they like to be told they are.

  15. Alex says:

    “4. We lost the culture wars because we preferred preaching the law of God over living in the love of God.”

    We lost the Culture Wars b/c we’re hypocrites (the Fundies preach one thing and do another), the non-Christians don’t buy into Religiosity and have found their voice (and it’s a loud one), sinners like to sin and the Culture War was myth.

    All the bad stuff has always happened, throughout history. It just wasn’t exposed, talked about, and openly embraced and on display in the earlier days of ‘Merica. There was a sense of shame and a sense of having to “hide” the sin. Now, we just have the opportunity to see it. Nothing has really changed all that much in terms of man being less of a sinner.

  16. “Do not let forgiveness be solely the prerogative of the Divine.”

    http://justinegraykin.wordpress.com/2012/11/05/to-forgive/

  17. Michael says:

    The point of evangelism isn’t “how good we are”, it’s that we’ve found forgiveness for how bad we are.

  18. Tim says:

    As we prepared to receive communion yesterday, I mentioned how easy it is for politics to become idolatry in our lives, and how our worship is to remain upon Jesus alone. We’re sending out a newsletter this afternoon in which my article quotes 1 Timothy 2 and reiterates our need to pray for our leaders, no matter who wins the election tomorrow.

    We may have a smaller group next Sunday morning.

  19. #5 Amen!

  20. Michael,
    “We lost the culture wars because we preferred preaching the law of God over living in the love of God.”

    How can you say that we have lost the Culture War? Who was fighting a war? Look at the stuff on SCCL and Chris Rosebrough’s Museum of Idolatry and you will see that “Christian” Culture is the same as secular culture.

  21. Wait, no comment about the Seahawks over the Vikings? Cmon!

  22. Nonnie says:

    I think the reason that so many on the SCCL site, and others, have walked away from Christianity, is because they have not heard the gospel….they have only heard the law.

  23. Em says:

    sorry, but things are going smoothly on project (God?) and i can’t resist making a (snarky) observation here:

    all culture grows out of dirt

  24. Papias says:

    Michael – was your #17 in response to my #14? If so, maybe this will explain, as I did not take point 4 to be about evangelism per se.

    As Nonnie has pointed out, people get exposed to the law probably more than suspected. This can effect us in one of two ways: we can see that we have fallen short(and hopefullythen the gospel is preached), or we can justify oursleves, even as Christians. Or perhaps not justify,but maybe look down our noses at one that doesn’t follow “our law”. We at that point like to hear the law – makes it easy to judge – mostly others – while giving ourselves shoulder hits. All the while saying, “schucks, I’m glad Jesus died for me, and now I’m living right.”

    Hope that makes sense. 🙂

  25. Papias says:

    Michael – was #17 in response to #14? If so, I typed up a response, but I guess it didn’t post….. 🙁

  26. Ixtlan says:

    @22
    now there is some light and salt……..

    the other possibility…..

    they drank the koolaid of carnal christianity where the celebrity pastor couldn’t keep himself out of the equation and they eventually developed spiritual diabetes…..
    they were fooled, and many try hard to forget that they were only served the very thing that they clamoured for…. and now they are angry…….

  27. Babylon's Dread aka Alan Hawkins says:

    So what’s the body count from SCCL? And why didn’t we just send Alex over there for a little detente? And I heartily recommend that you wear protection when reading her page those people are intent on spreading what they got.

    And … freedom is awesome… never be afraid of it.

  28. A Believer says:

    Dread,

    Read more closely over there. No detente mission.

    The USS Alex has already fired salvos at anything and everything CC over there. It just isn’t the “CC” that SCCL is aimed at! lol. 😉

  29. A Believer says:

    ..or should I say they have a bigger target.

  30. Josh Hamrick says:

    ” And why didn’t we just send Alex over there for a little detente? ”

    HAhahah!!!

    I thought the same.

  31. Solomon Rodriguez says:

    “Wait, no comment about the Seahawks over the Vikings? Cmon!”

    Hoping Ponder is only experiencing the growing pains of a sophmore. Our defense has been on the filed an awful lot. Adrian has been the saving grace.

  32. Solomon Rodriguez says:

    Alex said:

    “We lost the Culture Wars b/c we’re hypocrites (the Fundies preach one thing and do another), the non-Christians don’t buy into Religiosity and have found their voice (and it’s a loud one), sinners like to sin and the Culture War was myth.

    All the bad stuff has always happened, throughout history. It just wasn’t exposed, talked about, and openly embraced and on display in the earlier days of ‘Merica. There was a sense of shame and a sense of having to “hide” the sin. Now, we just have the opportunity to see it. Nothing has really changed all that much in terms of man being less of a sinner.”

    This^^^

  33. nomans says:

    #3. Indeed.

  34. A Believer says:

    Candid Candace Ceremonially Cans Community’s Constant Cranky Concordian

    Comments Closed.

    -I “C” Clearly Believer

  35. I haven’t gotten past your #1 yet, Michael. It’s a good thing we can’t change the font size on our posts, because I’d take up a whole screen with my “AMEN!”

  36. #2 – That’s a great book! It’s one I read years ago and need to revisit.

  37. Ugh, it happened again. Mods, please change my name on #36. Thanks.

  38. #6 – On some occasions, I’ve included in the introduction to a sermon, “…so if you don’t mind, I’m gonna preach to myself, and you’re more than welcome to listen in.”

  39. PP Vet says:

    Where will I spend tomorrow night? Election returns party at our house.

  40. Jtk says:

    Tommorrow night? Having a small group of former college age sinners trying to help each other walk this thang out….and I’m gonna try avoiding telling anyone whom I voted for.

    And I’m for the governance of the one whose government will continue increasing….(Isaiah 9)

  41. hate politics says:

    I discussed politics today with a person I care about, big mistake. I was asked who I voted for I said President Obama, and proceeded to give my reasons. So this person said I voted for death, homosexuals and against Israel.It got fairly emotional for a second and I mentioned a few things but I had to say, I was going to vote independent because I could not stand either of those guys. But I went with wrong I knew and could gauge verses the wrong I could not gauge.

  42. Shaun Sells says:

    Per your request at #8:

    http://www.blueletterbible.org/search/translationResults.cfm?Criteria=Reconcil%2A&t=KJV

    I especially like 2Corinthians 5:18-20.

  43. Shaun Sells says:

    Mods, please delete my #43, that one should have stayed in my head, it doesn’t belong on this thread.

  44. n o m a n s says:

    That moment when you’re asked to remove the most redeeming words spoken all day… Yeah that 🙂

  45. n o m a n s says:

    I went off the grid today to avoid all of the political drama. I will probably do the same tomorrow. I’m having a young girl that I love dearly over for soup though! I’m looking forward to that 🙂

  46. Shaun Sells says:

    Soup on a cool autumn day is like a magic elixir that brings comfort and peace. Of course I stress eat so what do know 🙂

  47. Hate Politics,
    Your friend must be an idiot. Why do they care about Obama’s policy towards Israel and have no concern with his policy towards Peru – a more populated country and closer to home?

  48. Papias says:

    Shaun, I caught that comment before it got deleted, and it was an honest word.

    I will be SO THANKFUL when tomorrow is done and a winner is declared. Then we will have to consol those who voted for the “other guy” and point them to Jesus – you know – back to normal. 🙂

    But I do wish my normal included my son sleeping in….

  49. PP Vet says:

    Pointed my iPhone at the Shaun Sells gravatar QR code square displayed on my iPad and my iPhone went to his site. Technology is cool especially when you’re an old guy who grew up in a house that did not have running water. And was cold.

    This Christian will not be voting for that Mormon today.

    Voted for him last weekend and am not planning to try to get a second vote in this year.

  50. “People should not be afraid of their governments.
    Governments should be afraid of their people.”
    ~ V

    “When the people fear their government, there is tyranny.
    When the government fears The people, there is liberty”
    ~ Thomas Jefferson

  51. Papias says:

    I don’t get the appeal of Guy Fawkes day. He was involved in the Gunpowder plot to replace a Prot king with a Catholic king. Unless this is all from “V”, which was kind of a crummy movie?

  52. Em says:

    Thomas Jefferson was wrong … when government fears the people, there is a police state.

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