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  1. Donner says:

    Hmmm. Re: your number 8: I think certainty is a mark of spiritual maturity, not of spiritual immaturity. Hebrews 11:1 …being certain of what we do not see, for example. I suppose it depends on what exactly I am certain of. If I’m certain that new Toyota Tundra is for me, well, no. Immature for sure. But if I’m certain the Lord will provide all my needs (transportation, for example), then yes, that is a sign of spiritual maturity.

  2. Michael says:

    That would depend on how you define needs…many of us the world over are starving or under persecution…

  3. London says:

    Thinking God will always meet all your needs is a sign of privilege, not maturity.

  4. jtk says:

    Ok, after all this time here, I hope you will agree with me that I care a great deal about people and the abuse.

    But from point #1, is it even possible to have authority end at the local church level, “independent” local churches, and properly deal with abuse?

    Is some sort of apostolic or denominational oversight the only solution?

  5. Michael says:

    “Is some sort of apostolic or denominational oversight the only solution?”


  6. jtk says:

    The division because of things that WE make more important OVER AND ABOVE the things Jesus thinks are important are all around me….

    Broken relationships affecting whole families over quite minor issues…tragic and the brokenness will last decades, maybe into eternity.

  7. jtk says:

    I’d like to see how that would work?
    WHOM would oversee that?

    And I don’t see the requirement for that in Scripture. But maybe the times warrant it…

    Rome, and a lot of better and worse Protestant “Romes” have oversight over millions and are horrific.

    I’m all ears though…

  8. jtk says:

    I see it as comparable to fatherhood.

    There really are only very poor substitutes for when a father neglects or abandons his family.

    Other safeguards can “help” but no one can really oversee fathers in an AUTHORATATIVE way. Even though abuse is all around us.

    We need better fathers. But I still have a lot to learn.

  9. Michael says:


    It is a difficult question…but we have to find answers.

    The first answer is to quit worshipping the god of autonomy.

    There are people that could shut me down in minutes…because I have chosen to be accountable to them.

  10. Donner says:

    “And my God will supply all your needs according to His riches in glory in Christ Jesus.” — Phil. 4:19.
    Do you believe this? That is called faith. Certainly Paul is not exhorting us to an immature faith, but a mature one.
    (*guess I must clarify: He will supply all your NEEDS, not all your WANTS.)

  11. Duane Arnold says:

    “The series of abuse reform recommendations, while significant for the SBC, are the “bare minimum,” said Bruce Frank, chair of the SBC sexual abuse task force.”

    USA Today

  12. filistine says:

    Number four batted clean up and cleared the bases.

  13. Officerhoppy says:

    Does that happen with us just sitting round and waiting or him to supply our needs or is there some action due on our part

  14. Officerhoppy says:

    Should read “Donner”—damned Spell check

  15. Michael says:

    “And my God will supply all your needs according to His riches in glory in Christ Jesus.” — Phil. 4:19.

    I believe this to varying degrees.
    We know that many Christians have starved, live without the basic necessities, and have been martyred.

    Their needs weren’t met.

    Mine have been, again to a degree.

  16. Officerhoppy says:


    Some people aren’t working thinking “and my government will supply your needs…”

    Back in the ‘70’s many thought the Lord was going to return so they dropped out of college to just wait around. I know this to be true because my mother in law was a researcher at UCI and several promising medical students did just that.

    Just a passing thought

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