When Your “Personal Relationship With Jesus” Isn’t Very Personal
One of the questions evangelicals ask of unbelievers is if they have a “personal relationship with Jesus Christ”.
The questions assumes the possibility of such and is both a selling point to the unconverted and a test of conversion to the already “saved”.
Some Christians give you the impression that they have regular interactions with Jesus as one would chat with a spouse or co-worker.
This leaves other Christians feeling like the black sheep of the family as they don’t have those sorts of “breakfast with Jesus” encounters.
Indeed, some despair because they’ve never experienced anything in their faith walk that even approximates a “personal relationship with Jesus”.
They believe in Him by faith, not by some sort of relational feelings….and wonder where the feelings are they’re supposed to have.
An example would be someone having panic attacks due to stress when they’re supposed to be experiencing the comfort and peace of God…but there is no comfort to be found.
Unanswered prayer or prayer that seems to hit the ceiling and fall back on your head can cause deep pain and frustration.
My own walk has been dotted with a few times when I thought perhaps I was “experiencing” God…most of it has been stumbling through a desert wondering where the promised water had gone.
Theologians talk about mediated and unmediated encounters with God.
An unmediated encounter is when Christ appears to one as He appeared to Paul or to the desert mystics…it’s a direct meeting with the living God.
It also seems to be what the church promises to the unconverted, but the Lord rarely delivers to the degree promised.
A mediated encounter is when we meet Christ through other means…preaching, the Scriptures. the Lord’s Supper, etc.
This is the norm and some would say that meeting the Lord outside a few defined means is deception.
My conclusion?
When honest believers speak of the lack of personal interaction with God, they’re taking a risk.
Other believers, thinking they are defending God or one of the means of grace will assume the problem lies in you.
Perhaps you were never saved.
Pray harder, fast more, sing louder, cut off your hand, pluck out your eye…cause you’re the problem.
I don’t think so.
The Christian life is full of mediated encounters with Christ.
Sometimes they happen through the “normal” means of grace…sometimes, much of the time, they don’t.
By faith…I believe every kind word or act toward me is an encounter with the love and comfort of God mediated through His people and sometimes, those who don’t know yet that they are His people.
By faith… I believe that the darkness and despair I often experience is a gift from God telling me that He has felt it too and the light is coming…
By faith…I believe that even the joy and comfort I receive from my cats is for me, from the heart of God.
By faith…I sometimes hear His voice though Scripture, but most often through people expressing sacrificial love, a desire for justice, a plea for righteousness, and a hope for tomorrow.
I take all this by faith…there’s nothing overtly supernatural on the surface of things, but upon further observation a case can be made that it all is.
Sometimes, though rarely, He comes by Himself.
That’s the case I make…by faith.
Make your own application…
Yes Michael. I am currently having a similar conversation with two long time believers. I am certain many are experiencing similar contemplation and questions. The modern model of church is much like the television programs those churches resemble. There is an element of Truth, but a whole lot of production and show biz.
My daughter is writing a book on the subject of surviving church culture, yet continuing to walk in Faith in the face of suffering and loss.
The crevasse between church culture and real life perseverance of Faith is expanding. The fight of Faith may very well be that of sorting the difference.
One of your best posts, Michael!! Could be part of a series on stupid things evangelicals say (and do!).
Paige, I’d be interested in reading your daughter’s book once it is finished.
Great post Michael.
This mediated encounters thing — is there any connection to Luther’s view, that God hides himself? Or are these two different things?
Thanks for the kind words.
Bob1, I’ll let the Lutherans answer that one, but I think it’s similar.
Excellent post, MIchael
Neil,
Great to see you! Thank you!
If God isn’t “personal,” has one really encountered and accepted God’s redemption? That said, as soon as you throw in the word “relationship” you have a whole different dynamic… IMHO
There are those who think the Bible isn’t to be trusted… well, maybe one’s naive reading isn’t to be trusted, but everything in the Book does jibe as one grows in their understanding – any errors so-called are of no importance… my “personal relationship” with Christ is very Bible dependent… i don’t see angels standing at the foot of my bed saying, “God wants to speak to you” 🙂 if that happened, i’d figure i was dead… LOL
I don’t think Michael is saying we can’t have a personal relationship with Christ. I think he’s talking about mediated experiences of God vs. “direct” ones. If you don’t have these categories you tend to treat day-to-day life in a really secular manner. With the idea of mediated experiences with God, you can see His working and grace anew. At
least that’s how it’s worked for me.
And like Michael said, God usually doesn’t show up directly. It has nothing to do with how devoted we are. That’s missing the point.
But those who believe that that is His only way of communicating wind up with a really subjective, gooey faith. It seems to me that there’s a spiritual one-upsmanship that often results, as in “who’s closer to God?” That’s missing the point, IMHO.
Good points, bob1. IMO, of course. 🙆
Great post Michael. Maybe the relationship is actually more one way relationship. God knows us intimately. The problem is we don’t know Him all that well. Kind of a mystery we take on faith that he gives us.
I’m not sure that I could survive a direct encounter, not as long as I’m my current fallen state. I have had a couple of mysterious moments. The last one one gave me a sense that church was going to be ok, about three months before I was kicked out because I’m too old and too disabled. So, even if I had a lot of close encounters, I’m not sure I know how to understand it.
I think we are called to live by faith. So that’s what I try to do. And I vacillate between a sense of wellness and despair. I probably more familiar with despair. I think that even the Apostle Paul had moments of despair. But faith, as weak as it is, is still there.
Well said, Randy…
LOVE this! I’ve had certain things happen in my life where I was left awestruck with something that happened where you’re just like, “that HAD to be God”. Not always big things, but sometimes even little things that happen that make you laugh or bring you even a small joy (like the first cup of coffee in the morning.) I even have a phrase for it, “it’s a God thing.” I’ve had a few very personal times in my life where something happened or someone did something that was so clearly Him showing his love toward me that it literally felt like a hug from God. He’s so kind! And He’s everywhere in every little thing that brings us peace or joy or especially love.I think we miss a lot of encounters with God because we’re simply not paying attention. I want so much to be like Him that way. Kind and giving freely to others. Unfortunately, I’m not very good at it. I’m not a people person. I don’t like to talk to people much. At least not in person. I do most of my communicating with others online. But I’m trying to learn to slow down, to see Him in the smallest things. This post was a God thing for me. Thank you for that, dear brother.
This reminds me of when Jesus asked the Father, “WHY have you forsaken me?!!!” (sweating intensely).
I know the platitude “Oh, well Jesus was giving us a bible study…”
I’m always suspicious of interpretations which if you only had the bible, you could NEVER arrive at.
Anyway, Jesus, as in ALL ways, demonstrated the life acceptable to the Father and while I’ve never (yet) felt forsaken (the church keeps fighting Satan for that honor), it’s comforting (often) to meditate on Jesus asked “Why?” and yet He “always does those things pleasing…” to the Father.
If (ha!) my thoughts aren’t worthy and Jesus was pretending (their words not mine), well then just gander at the 12 and look at their conduct.
Cash…thank you for all of that, my friend…
UnCCed,
Well said…
Cash, great words! ! ! At this end of my life, thinking back, i can say “amen” and ask God’s forgiveness for not noticing at the time
Michael, I think you just spoke to and affirmed many of us, and I think it may be His voice.
Thank you, Owen!
Great article!