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  1. Jean says:

    Big Denver church goes “inclusive”…

    I noticed that this church has female pastors and elders. I wonder: If a church diverges from God’s Word in one area, how can it remain faithful in other areas which bring it into conflict with the surrounding culture?

  2. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    In the same article – just substitute “active adulterer” wherever you see LGBT listed and see how agreeable it sounds.

    I am saying if I wanted to reason my way into a church the is adulterer inclusive – full membership and in all places of leadership.

    This si the same issues and order of events that helped the ELCA to circle the drain.

  3. Josh the Baptist says:

    If we just say “Gay sex is good”, is there any way ground to argue for sexual morals of any kind?

    Wouldn’t the same justification fit every perversion?

  4. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    “Barnabas Piper getting divorced…”

    I don’t understand this article. Are they concerned about the son’s divorce or is this a back door slam at Piper.?

  5. EricL says:

    Josh @3, I think you are pushing it there. They certainly wouldn’t OK rape, sexual abuse, child abuse or other violent perversions.

    But when it comes to actions between consenting adults, yup. Maybe someday, a group will decide to truly become a “church family” and the whole congregation will marry each other. Polyamory or polyfidelity- look it up on Wikipedia and gag.

  6. Josh the Baptist says:

    Ericl, I didn’t say “they” would OK rape, pedophilia, etc. They would argue against them viciously. But it seems the same justifications could be made for all, right? Either we can keep ourselves from acting on our sexual urges, or we can’t. And if we can’t, and therefore, that makes it OK, what rules out those other horrid perversions?

  7. Scooter Jones says:

    I’m confused about the Psalm for refugees link. Is that a political statement or biblical construct?

  8. Jean says:

    Scooter Jones @ #7,

    You have a very good reason to be confused. Psalm 37 is a beautiful and breathtaking Psalm, which accurately depicts the affliction which God’s saints suffer from the ceaseless opposition of sin, the flesh, the world and the devil. But it exhorts us to be patient, to not become envious when evil doers appear to prosper, and trust in the Lord who ultimately will conquer evil and deliver His saints. It is a Psalm of comfort.

    The article misses the mark, because the author equates God’s saints with immigrants and refugees, whereas the Psalm is comforting the household of God, His Church. There are no doubt Christians who will get caught in the net of the new immigration rules, but the new policy is not directed at Christians and the church, so I don’t think the new executive order is a good application of Psalm 37.

  9. Linnea says:

    I liked the balanced examination of the immigrant order…thanks for posting it EricL!

  10. John 20:29 says:

    skimmed the article on DCC going “inclusive”… i was hoping that the church had adopted a policy that welcomed the LBGT… whatever… community to attend services…
    i was sad to read that they seemed to have missed that scripture regarding a reprobate mind… i guess they felt that warning was for another time? Romans 1:18-32

  11. Jean says:

    This is the quote that made me LOL:

    “While [Pastor] Hidalgo says he would personally consider performing a same-sex wedding ‘if the couple met the high standard I have for any couple who asks me to marry them,'”

    Some standards, eh? 🙂

  12. John 20:29 says:

    i caught that line, also, Jean… i think the pastor’s high standard is a lamp post with a burned out lightbulb… or something – dunno… wish i could laugh, but this is so, so sad…

  13. Steve Wright says:

    I ask this sincerely. Is there a gay couple that commits to their mutual virginity until the wedding night?

    I know it is quite rare in the hetero world, including within the Church. But it does happen and certainly is something the Church should proclaim as the goal.

    Has anyone ever heard a message in a church that affirms homosexuality that also affirmed celibacy until marriage?

  14. Linnea says:

    No, Steve, and my experience with LGBTQ couples shows infidelity within marriage.

  15. Ms, ODM says:

    I think one of those female elders looked like a lesbian – perhaps she came out of the closet and they didn’t want to anger people by tossing her.

  16. Jean says:

    I would like to add a link to a very short article by an LCMS pastor/active duty chaplain. He expresses very well what some here have been trying to articulate.

  17. Scooter Jones says:

    Jean, that chaplain should go into the painting business, he’d be able to cover a lot of area with that broad brush he uses.

  18. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    “Conservative Christians, a group I consider myself to be a part of, have come to love politics more than theology. Recently, their political euphoria is utterly palpable. Theology? Eh, who cares about that…”

    Opinions are like assholes – everyone has one.This guy is no exception.

    I am a conservative Christian and I don’t like politics more than theology. What is funny is that the left says you are suppose to love all things political more than theology. All their social justice programs only become real when they get political. To a liberal, theology / doctrine divides – politics / social justice unites — check it out to see if it is not true.

    OK, post the next opinion piece.

  19. Scooter Jones says:

    I knew there was a definite reason why people don’t get along these days

  20. John 20:29 says:

    sometimes it seems to me that our Christian thought processing is skating close to that of the Universalist… we so don’t want to seem Evangelical or any other form of right wing extremity
    i don’t think that there really is any way to blend the two kingdoms (this world’s and God’s – however you define the concept)… if we, who really are Believers could just function as civilized visitors from the other kingdom…

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