Looking For Truth…

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  1. Captain Kevin says:

    “…bad to worse.”

    Surely that can’t describe right-wing evangelicals, can it? (Eww, I think I just made myself throw up.)

  2. Captain Kevin says:

    If you haven’t already, check out Benjamin Cremer’s FB post from earlier today.

  3. Kevin H says:

    Thanks, Michael, for the commendation.

    With greater access to information, details, and facts than we have ever had before in human history, we sure seem to have a heck of a problem deciphering and handling truth.

    I try to keep most of my writings on Facebook these days in order to avoid bringing the wretched morass of political matters here. Things only flare up from time to time here, while on Facebook they are a constant. So I try to engage for the most part where things are already and consistently a big mess, and address it directly there, while trying to limit the potential stoking of messes here.

    Many of those who would “spit at me in the spirit” have unfriended me at this point. (There are a couple who I have had to take the step to unfriend, including one former member of this community, because they grew worse and worse in their belligerence, dishonesty, and antagonism towards me.) Sadly, they are probably the ones who most need to hear the message I try to preach, but they have instead decided to cut me off.

    It is funny how preaching a message, while certainly imperfectly so, yet still focuses on following the ways of Jesus and following the commands and precepts that God gives us in the Bible, results in such a negative and vile reaction by many who claim to be following Christ.

  4. Kevin H says:

    I’ll shorten my writing from Facebook, but I will speak to Tim Ballard, the Sound of Freedom guy. He became an evangelical hero because child-sex trafficking was made a culture war issue by the religious and conservative Right. Not everyone has bought into the crazy and wicked conspiracy theories of there being a secret cabal of Democrats, Hollywood elites, and others who are running a global child sex trafficking ring, even killing the children and drinking their blood. However, many have been influenced enough to believe that this issue is a culture war issue, believing that the Left and mainstream media are trying to cover up the horrors of child sex trafficking and so they must fight back against them and “Save the Children”.

    And once something is deemed a culture war issue, then it becomes anything goes. Thus, anything potentially bad on “our” side is dismissed as just an attack of the enemy trying to smear us and distract us from the “real issue”, and we must take up the mantle of protecting our causes and heroes because the most important thing is winning as God is surely on our side and that’s what He would want.

    Devotion to partisan politics is poison to the soul.

  5. Michael says:

    CK,

    “…bad to worse.”
    It’s the next line that should give us pause…

  6. Michael says:

    KevinH,

    “It is funny how preaching a message, while certainly imperfectly so, yet still focuses on following the ways of Jesus and following the commands and precepts that God gives us in the Bible, results in such a negative and vile reaction by many who claim to be following Christ.”

    I have found out the hard way that many of the brethren hate Jesus…too soft…

  7. Michael says:

    Kevin H,

    You are a great encouragement to me and others…yours is what a true prophetic voice sounds like.

  8. Stephen says:

    “ I have found out the hard way that many of the brethren hate Jesus…too soft…”

    And yet in the same breath they claim to love Jesus.

    “Oh I love Jesus so much…”

    (The won’t vocalize the true belief that is in their heart: “…but His teachings are irrelevant to US in 2023 because He’s too soft.”

  9. Michael says:

    Stephen,

    Exactly!

  10. JD says:

    Thanking God for my recent head injury that’s keeping me from being focused on all the malarkey floating around.

  11. Michael says:

    JD,

    Pain does have some benefits…how are you doing?

  12. Kevin H says:

    “For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. – Matthew 24:24

    I believe that our day today has proven that it is quite possible for even the elect to be lead astray. The message of partisan politics has led many to misplace their reverence and loyalty, many even believing that they are actually following after the ways of God in doing so (thus the deception of being led astray).

    The ironic part is that many of these who have been led astray are the same ones who get caught up in emphasizing the End Times, and are on the lookout for false christs and false prophets who fit their picture of what a false christ and prophet would look like, all the while being taken in by other false christs and false prophets who look attractive to them.

  13. Stephen says:

    Kevin@10:14

    Here here (as tragic as it is)

  14. Michael says:

    Kevin H,

    I’ll say the amen…it’s baffling and disturbing…and really dangerous.

  15. Stephen says:

    I meant “hear hear.” Lol

  16. Kevin H says:

    No problems, Stephen, I here ya. 🙂

  17. filistine says:

    I will say this in the face of the difficulty of discerning the truth when “truth” is so elusive–that we must be people of prayer not to know the truth, but that we have the mind of Christ and the empowerment of the Spirit in the face of uncertainty. The wisdom of God trumps the knowledge of secular truth. The character of Christ trumps the certainty or doubt of the world’s circumstance. The heart of the gospel moves us toward compassion for all around us regardless of their stance(s) on current events. The peace that surpasses understanding comes with the realization that we won’t/don’t/can’t understand.

  18. Michael says:

    fil,

    Well said…and maybe something I needed to hear…

  19. JD says:

    44k+ erroneously paid by my personal health insurance, getting questionable bills from unknown doctors for unremembered services and no compassion complete with totally incompetent care.

  20. Michael says:

    JD,

    Very sorry to hear all that…praying for better care and more compassion…

  21. Captain Kevin says:

    JD, that stinks! I’m sorry. Praying this gets rectified.

  22. Dave Lindsay says:

    I believe it was Bob Mumford about 50 years ago who said:
    ‘the truth shall set you free – but first it will make you miserable!’

    Dave

  23. Captain Kevin says:

    “Christianity, true Scriptural Christianity, has a tendency in the process of time to destroy itself. For wherever true Christianity spreads, it must cause diligence and frugality, which, in the natural course of things, must beget riches! And riches naturally beget pride, love of the world, and every temper that is destructive to Christianity. Wherever it generally prevails, it ultimately saps its own foundation.”

    John Wesley, 1789

  24. Stephen says:

    Jd,

    Aw man, that stinks. Keeping ya in prayers

  25. Stephen says:

    Wow.

    John Wesley (via CK)

    *mic drop*

  26. DH says:

    When was a war ever won by a proportionate response?
    Hamas murdered 1400 Israelis, tortured and murdered innocent women and children, unarmed kids at a rave, and kidnapped other women and children. What horror.
    I’m not saying innocent people should be killed but the response has to be overwhelming if you want the conflict/war to stop. Just look at Isis, they were stopped by overwhelming force. Sad but true.

  27. Jean says:

    “Just look at Isis, they were stopped by overwhelming force.”

    Yes, overwhelming force against Isis, not against the women and childre and other civilians living in villages which had an Isis presence. The United States military did not, and as a matter of military strategy certainly did not, destroy entire villages (and everyone in them) if it found a cell of Isis in the village. The US military never blockaded entire populations from receiving food and water and medical supplies.

    The United States, as the funder, supplier and diplomatic coverer of the war in Gaza shares responsibility for the conduct of the war there. Most likely, American blood will be shed well into the future on account of what America is not green lighting.

    How will the United States of America ever have anything to say about war crimes, ethnic cleansing, apartheid, etc. in any country anywhere in the world, if we will not apply our principles to the war in Gaza? I don’t get the double standard.

    Why hasn’t the United States demanded that the border be opened immediately to allow all American citizens to leave Gaza?

  28. Jean says:

    In my last comment, “not green lighting” should be “now green lighting.”

  29. Kevin H says:

    I think it is important that we understand what “proportionate” means when it comes to the law of war. The following three paragraphs from a recent David French article I think are helpful:

    “As the war continues and as the destruction mounts, you will hear a number of voices condemn Israel for a disproportionate response, but many of these critics fundamentally misunderstand what proportionality means in the law of war. The U.S. Army’s ‘Law of Land Warfare’ field manual — which is deeply grounded in the international law of armed conflict and governed our urban operations in Iraq and Afghanistan — defines the legal obligation of proportionality as requiring ‘commanders to refrain from attacks in which the expected loss or injury to civilians and damage to civilian objects incidental to such attacks would be excessive in relation to the concrete and direct military advantage expected to be gained.” It also requires that commanders’ take feasible precautions to reduce the risk of harm to civilians, other protected persons and civilian objects.’ ”

    “Proportionality does not require the Israel Defense Forces to respond with the same degree of force or take the same proportion of casualties as Hamas. In addition, as the manual states, ‘the proportionality standard does not require that no incidental harm results from attacks.’ If you’re a soldier on patrol and someone fires at you with a rifle, you don’t have to respond with a rifle. You can use a tank round or a missile in response, unless you have reason to believe the tank round or missile will cause extraordinary collateral damage. But if you’re taking fire from a single house, proportionality prohibits you from destroying the entire block. Throughout the war on terrorism, American forces used powerful, longer-range weapons to attack individual targets. That does not violate the laws of war.”

    “In reality, inflicting disproportionate casualties can be one of the goals of a fighting force. Ukraine appears to have inflicted substantially greater casualties on Russia than the Russian Army has inflicted on Ukraine. That doesn’t mean Ukraine’s response was disproportionate under the law of armed conflict. In every fight, the goal is to inflict as many losses as possible on your opponent while taking as few losses as possible.”

    ———-

    Looking on from the outside, it may often times be hard to discern whether specific acts by Israel, or their response as a whole is “proportionate” by definition of the law of war. Even at that, a Christian is not compelled to have to agree that this definition of “proportionate” is right or just, but at least it gives us a baseline where we can be speaking the same language when using the word proportionate in relation to war.

    What I would hope we could all agree to, regardless as to whether or not Israel’s response is justified or not, is that the destruction, suffering, and loss of life being experienced by the people of Gaza is heartbreaking.

  30. DH says:

    “What I would hope we could all agree to, regardless as to whether or not Israel’s response is justified or not, is that the destruction, suffering, and loss of life being experienced by the people of Gaza is heartbreaking.”

    What about what happened/happens to innocent Israelis?

  31. Jean says:

    DH,
    I will answer for myself only. The atrocities committed against the innocent Israelis are unacceptable and deplorable. There is no excuse for what Hamas did. As a result of what Hamas did, Israel has no choice, and in my opinion has the obligation, to completely remove/destroy Hamas (political and military wings) from Gaza.

    What French is talking about is the means of waging war against Hamas. As Christians IMO one would not mourn the loss of innocent life more or less depending on what side of a war they are on. An Israeli baby and a Palestinian baby are equally precious in the sight of God. As a result both babies’ lives should be equally valued by Christians.

  32. DH says:

    Jean, Agreed.

  33. Kevin H says:

    DH,

    Of course what happened to the innocent Israeli’s was horrific and heartbreaking. There was no justification whatsoever as to what happened to them.

    However, the topic at hand was Israel’s response to Hamas and what is happening in Gaza and so that was what I was addressing.

  34. Muff Potter says:

    Jean wrote @ 11:41 am:
    ” An Israeli baby and a Palestinian baby are equally precious in the sight of God. As a result both babies’ lives should be equally valued by Christians.”

    Hamas knows that too, that’s why they’ll use them as human shields.

  35. Jean says:

    Should we apologize that Christianity is not a political ideology?

    Christianity confesses a Lord who teaches:

    “And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell.”
    ‭‭Matthew‬ ‭10‬:‭28‬ ‭ESV‬‬

    and

    “The Lord is my helper; I will not fear; what can man do to me?””
    ‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭13‬:‭6‬ ‭ESV‬‬

    This all sounds perfectly woke to 21st Century American Christians, but it worked for the early Christians who faced martyrdom in the Collesium. And Christianity thrived and grew.

  36. Dan from Georgia says:

    Well stated Jean. True Christian faith is so opposite what many evangelicals have promoted, put up with, etc.

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