The high school run by Calvary Chapel Las Vegas has hired one of the most reviled names in college basketball history to be their coach and athletic director.
This guy should be in a car lot lot competing for ups…
I’m all for second and third chances but shouldnt Bliss do a little self governing and decline coaching opportunities for the sake of the kids and parents? I wouldn’t be thrilled if I was a players parent.
I had not heard of the guy or the scandal. I gave up on Baylor when they decided to no longer be a Christian school while I was SBC in the early nineties.
Agreed PH. I’m guilty of apologizing but trying to offer explanations or simply trying to justify hurtful words or action (or inaction). The point is how the other person feels, regardless. This is a hard lesson to learn because it involves our pride and self protection.
I think “sanctification” will look more like selflessness in this life than sinlessness. We will struggle with sin until we die but the more the Holy Spirit shapes us the more selfless we will become.
This will be my last post as I’m being a little too chatty today… 🙂
This story from Brennan Manning’s Ragamuffin Gospel illustrates selflessness well and how much it reflects God…
“Jonas Zook is an eighty-two-year-old widower. He and his children raise piglets for their
livelihood. The oldest, Barbara, fifty-seven, manages the household. The three younger
children, Rachel, fifty-three, Elam, forty-seven, and Sam, forty-five, are all severely
retarded. When I arrived at noon with two friends, little Elam – about four feet tall,
heavy-set, thickly bearded, and wearing the black Amish outfit with the circular hat – was
coming out of the barn some fifty yards away, pitch-fork in hand. He had never laid eyes
on me in his life; yet, when he saw me step out of the car. . . he dropped the pitchfork and ran lickety-split in my direction. Two feet away, he flung himself at me, wrapped his
arms around my neck, his legs around my waist, and kissed me on the lips with fierce
intensity for a full thirty seconds.
Well, I was temporarily stunned and terribly self-conscious. But in the twinkle of an eye,
Jesus set me free from propriety. I buried my lips into Elam’s and returned his kiss with
the same enthusiasm. Then he jumped down, wrapped both his hands around my right
arm, and led me on a tour of the farm.
A half hour later, Elam sat next to me at lunch. Midway through the meal I turned
around to say something. Inadvertently, my right elbow slammed into Elam’s rib cage.
He didn’t wince, he didn’t groan. He wept like a two-year-old child. His next move
undid me.
Elam came over to my chair, planted himself on my lap, and kissed me even harder on
the lips. Then he kissed my eyes, nose, forehead, and cheeks. And there was Brennan, dazed, dumbstruck, weeping, and suddenly seized by the power of a great affection. In his utter simplicity little Elam Zook was an icon of Jesus Christ. Why? Because at that moment his love for me did not stem from any attractiveness or lovability of mine. It was not conditioned by any response on my part. Elam loved me whether I was kind or unkind, pleasant or nasty. His love arose from a source outside of himself and myself.”
#13 – a real depth of wisdom in those words…
The story of sweet Elam is a great illustration also… however, those who are handicapped as Elam run the gamut just as the rest of the human race – according to my daughter
The difference may be that they dont/can’t hide what they are like the rest of us do… I remember our Lord identifying a disciple as one in whom there was no guile… I do wish He could say that about me… I’m sure He did about Elam…
hmmm … I sound like the church lady the 3rd grade S.S. teacher. ? on well…
read the link @ 22 … once again i am struck by how well the Bible understands humanity 🙂 sheep, indeed and ready to be fleeced again…
there is a popular radio late night talk show that is almost solely devoted to supernatural phenomena of all sorts from Big Foot to talking to your dead loved ones and, i guess that it is the most popular show on the radio now… people seem to be looking for connection of some sort with the unseen world, but it seems to be without discernment of any kind
we could see a revival and another generation coming to Christ out of this hunger… perhaps, but it’s not what’s going on right now… IMNSHO
Link @22 – absolutely revolting. I see so many young adults who are so primed for that but just haven’t been exposed to it yet. They are primed for it by younger hip (more or less) pastors that teach its a sin to be grumpy and that happiness = the joy of the Lord, and neither statement is true. “post-millennial optimism” essentially equals “as long as I’m happy everything is good.” Ugh.
Well, I also read the link @22. My next door neighbor is an IHOP grad who is striking out on his own to become a stadium evangelist. His theology library is God Tube.
God always preserves a remnant and His Word will endure forever. I’m thankful to have a faithful local congregation to be a member of, and for the opportunity to visit here at this blog with so many faithful Christians scattered all over America (and a very special one in England).
Descended, its one of those things you could probably go line for line and show slight degrees of inaccuracy throughout the article.
For instance, they talk about the conference circuit like its unique, and some kind of pay for play religious system. Would they say the same about Piper’s conferences? John MacArthur’s? There are few big-name preachers today who aren’t involved in one conference circuit or another. That seemed like an immediate mischaracterization to me.
@29
Too simplistic a response. Having been to a conference at Bethel, I arrived with my eyes wide open and with a mix of openness and skepticism. It is a mixed bag, but there is a work of the Spirit in that assembly. I didn’t agree with everything I heard, but I also know what I experienced, including what I believe to be a personal healing.
There are undoubtedly some issues there, but these are people who are hungry for God, and are courageously stepping out in faith. While at Bethel, I heard many of the same attitudes about other parts of the Body of Christ that I used to hear in Calvary circles. Perhaps they are destined to make the same mistakes and become as insular as Calvary was ( I see signs of CGN being more open) or currently is.
The challenge for the church is to separate the precious from the vile (Jer. 15:19).
maybe that should grab our attention that in fact they could say the same. I wonder though if the apostolic pay for play isn’t more akin to the scientology model. It is pretty top heavy. That might be going too far, but it is the chink in the armor of charismatics.
It’s all yours today…
The high school run by Calvary Chapel Las Vegas has hired one of the most reviled names in college basketball history to be their coach and athletic director.
This guy should be in a car lot lot competing for ups…
https://www.si.com/college-basketball/2017/08/03/disgraced-dave-bliss-baylor-basketball-hired
Thank to BrianD for bringing this to my attention.
I’m all for second and third chances but shouldnt Bliss do a little self governing and decline coaching opportunities for the sake of the kids and parents? I wouldn’t be thrilled if I was a players parent.
14 years is a long time ago.
Bliss repeated the same lies that led to him being banned from college coaching in a Showtime documentary this year.
I wouldn’t have him around my kid.
Maybe the AD at CCLV is trying to go all “Hoosiers”. Although all Norman Dale did was hit a kid.
I had not heard of the guy or the scandal. I gave up on Baylor when they decided to no longer be a Christian school while I was SBC in the early nineties.
I wrote this post about properly offering an apology after a classic rocker seemed to miff a golden opportunity.
https://kurtstaeuble.wordpress.com/2017/08/01/life-skill-giving-an-appropriate-apology/
There must be something in the water at Baylor….
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/ncaa-investigating-baylors-sexual-assault-scandal/
That’s really good PH. Apologies are difficult and humbling. But owing someone an apology and not apologizing is a heavier weight to carry.
The CC high school seems to be following Liberty’s example in hiring former Baylor scandalous figures (and Baylor sure seems to have a lot of them).
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/sports/wp/2016/11/29/in-hiring-ian-mccaw-liberty-university-sends-a-chilling-message/
JoelG, never owning up is incredibly immature and damaging.
Agreed PH. I’m guilty of apologizing but trying to offer explanations or simply trying to justify hurtful words or action (or inaction). The point is how the other person feels, regardless. This is a hard lesson to learn because it involves our pride and self protection.
I think “sanctification” will look more like selflessness in this life than sinlessness. We will struggle with sin until we die but the more the Holy Spirit shapes us the more selfless we will become.
This will be my last post as I’m being a little too chatty today… 🙂
This story from Brennan Manning’s Ragamuffin Gospel illustrates selflessness well and how much it reflects God…
“Jonas Zook is an eighty-two-year-old widower. He and his children raise piglets for their
livelihood. The oldest, Barbara, fifty-seven, manages the household. The three younger
children, Rachel, fifty-three, Elam, forty-seven, and Sam, forty-five, are all severely
retarded. When I arrived at noon with two friends, little Elam – about four feet tall,
heavy-set, thickly bearded, and wearing the black Amish outfit with the circular hat – was
coming out of the barn some fifty yards away, pitch-fork in hand. He had never laid eyes
on me in his life; yet, when he saw me step out of the car. . . he dropped the pitchfork and ran lickety-split in my direction. Two feet away, he flung himself at me, wrapped his
arms around my neck, his legs around my waist, and kissed me on the lips with fierce
intensity for a full thirty seconds.
Well, I was temporarily stunned and terribly self-conscious. But in the twinkle of an eye,
Jesus set me free from propriety. I buried my lips into Elam’s and returned his kiss with
the same enthusiasm. Then he jumped down, wrapped both his hands around my right
arm, and led me on a tour of the farm.
A half hour later, Elam sat next to me at lunch. Midway through the meal I turned
around to say something. Inadvertently, my right elbow slammed into Elam’s rib cage.
He didn’t wince, he didn’t groan. He wept like a two-year-old child. His next move
undid me.
Elam came over to my chair, planted himself on my lap, and kissed me even harder on
the lips. Then he kissed my eyes, nose, forehead, and cheeks. And there was Brennan, dazed, dumbstruck, weeping, and suddenly seized by the power of a great affection. In his utter simplicity little Elam Zook was an icon of Jesus Christ. Why? Because at that moment his love for me did not stem from any attractiveness or lovability of mine. It was not conditioned by any response on my part. Elam loved me whether I was kind or unkind, pleasant or nasty. His love arose from a source outside of himself and myself.”
#13 – a real depth of wisdom in those words…
The story of sweet Elam is a great illustration also… however, those who are handicapped as Elam run the gamut just as the rest of the human race – according to my daughter
The difference may be that they dont/can’t hide what they are like the rest of us do… I remember our Lord identifying a disciple as one in whom there was no guile… I do wish He could say that about me… I’m sure He did about Elam…
hmmm … I sound like the church lady the 3rd grade S.S. teacher. ? on well…
Same ol’ Calvary conveniences. I thought there was a chapter or two about being fit for ministry. ..?
Joel
Nice things to think on. Thanks
Another link on the Bliss story…I should have done a separate article, but it probably wouldn’t matter.
https://www.reviewjournal.com/sports/sports-columns/ron-kantowski/theres-no-justifying-hiring-dave-bliss-to-coach/
I can hear Brennan’s voice in my head when I read that story.
Nauseating.
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2017/august-web-only/bethel-churc-international-house-prayer-prophets-apostles.html?start=1
Bob1- your link didn’t work, but I found the story.
Finally a decent acronym and description.
INC – pay as you go Christian”ism”.
Thanks for that
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2017/august-web-only/bethel-church-international-house-prayer-prophets-apostles.html
That one should work.
And that is not my group, and I typically wouldn’t defend them, but a lot of that article is inaccurate.
The inaccuracies in the article is that they failed to categorize the group as bat shit crazy and teachers of false doctrine.
MLD, you need to learn to be less timid in sharing what you really think 🙂
What is inaccurate Josh?
read the link @ 22 … once again i am struck by how well the Bible understands humanity 🙂 sheep, indeed and ready to be fleeced again…
there is a popular radio late night talk show that is almost solely devoted to supernatural phenomena of all sorts from Big Foot to talking to your dead loved ones and, i guess that it is the most popular show on the radio now… people seem to be looking for connection of some sort with the unseen world, but it seems to be without discernment of any kind
we could see a revival and another generation coming to Christ out of this hunger… perhaps, but it’s not what’s going on right now… IMNSHO
Covered,
LOL – I am forced to speak that way because everyone is too timid to state the obvious. 🙂
Link @22 – absolutely revolting. I see so many young adults who are so primed for that but just haven’t been exposed to it yet. They are primed for it by younger hip (more or less) pastors that teach its a sin to be grumpy and that happiness = the joy of the Lord, and neither statement is true. “post-millennial optimism” essentially equals “as long as I’m happy everything is good.” Ugh.
Well, I also read the link @22. My next door neighbor is an IHOP grad who is striking out on his own to become a stadium evangelist. His theology library is God Tube.
God always preserves a remnant and His Word will endure forever. I’m thankful to have a faithful local congregation to be a member of, and for the opportunity to visit here at this blog with so many faithful Christians scattered all over America (and a very special one in England).
Descended, its one of those things you could probably go line for line and show slight degrees of inaccuracy throughout the article.
For instance, they talk about the conference circuit like its unique, and some kind of pay for play religious system. Would they say the same about Piper’s conferences? John MacArthur’s? There are few big-name preachers today who aren’t involved in one conference circuit or another. That seemed like an immediate mischaracterization to me.
@29
Too simplistic a response. Having been to a conference at Bethel, I arrived with my eyes wide open and with a mix of openness and skepticism. It is a mixed bag, but there is a work of the Spirit in that assembly. I didn’t agree with everything I heard, but I also know what I experienced, including what I believe to be a personal healing.
There are undoubtedly some issues there, but these are people who are hungry for God, and are courageously stepping out in faith. While at Bethel, I heard many of the same attitudes about other parts of the Body of Christ that I used to hear in Calvary circles. Perhaps they are destined to make the same mistakes and become as insular as Calvary was ( I see signs of CGN being more open) or currently is.
The challenge for the church is to separate the precious from the vile (Jer. 15:19).
JosH
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maybe that should grab our attention that in fact they could say the same. I wonder though if the apostolic pay for play isn’t more akin to the scientology model. It is pretty top heavy. That might be going too far, but it is the chink in the armor of charismatics.
No, it’s a non-factor. That article is deicing you don’t like someone, and then finding a bunch of reasons to justify it.