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  1. Pineapple Head says:

    I’m really grateful that Begg has stood his ground. The onslaught has been intense and wide sweeping. His message is a message the church needs to hear.

    Started reading John Mark Comer’s new book PRACTICING THE WAY. A well-written book about the importance of discipleship. Highly influenced by Dallas Willard.

    Saw the first 3 episodes of the new season of THE CHOSEN today at the theater. At the conclusion of the last episode, a woman loudly cried for what seemed like forever. My son cried too.

  2. Michael says:

    I like Begg.
    I will only read Willard at gunpoint.
    Comer was in Portland, at least for a while…

  3. Pineapple Head says:

    By the way, I had a convo with a grandmother about 8 years ago about attending a nephew’s gay wedding. I didn’t tell her what she should do, rather I shared both sides of the decision. I think she just wanted me to tell her not to go. 😀

    What’s the Willard issue for you?

  4. Michael says:

    PH.

    Willard always sounds like he’s scolding you for not being as holy as he is.
    I think it’s more just a massive personality clash and a very different understanding of discipleship.

    I think I’ve noted enough now badly the “do not fear” campaign by him and his students chaps me…

  5. Pineapple Head says:

    I think Comer does a better job communicating than Willard. His book is challenging, but also inviting. Never heard of the do not fear campaign.

  6. bob1 says:

    Loved Russell Moore’s article. Pitch perfect.

    So a couple of groups like McArthur won’t have him at their conference?

    Good riddance.

    You’ll see the hardcore Reformed look like the judgmental creeps
    they are. Already seeing it.

  7. Michael says:

    MacArthur…can’t say what I’d like to say.
    I’ve tried to cleanse my space of everything he ever wrote…

  8. pstrmike says:

    I haven’t read much of Comer, it appears that he really isn’t saying anything that many spiritual formation people haven’t already said. I heard him speak once, didn’t care for his style and I thought he misunderstood both Augustine and Plato, but it may have just been a different interpretation and a regurgitating of what he was being taught at Western .I know of some millenials that love, him, don’t get it myself. I’d rather read Foster, Nouwen, Merton, Chittister, Rolheiser, Jan Johnson or Eugene Peterson. Willard had a lot to say, be he was often redundant in his writings.

  9. Michael says:

    pstrmike,

    I prefer to let you read it and translate for me…

  10. Pineapple Head says:

    Pastor Mike,

    Yes, Comer’s speaking style is something that not everyone gets (including me). But the young pastors in our church really vibe with him. Maybe that’s why I like the book! As I see it, the whole world of spiritual formation can get a little convoluted and esoteric. It’s necessary, but sometimes it can come off as overly monkish.

    Gavin Ortlund has a really good response to Begg on Youtube.

  11. pstrmike says:

    thanks PH. At this stage, given the choice, I’d be a monk. . . a married one that is… 😉 ;

    similar perhaps to John Michael Talbot.

  12. pstrmike says:

    Michael. . . lol!!!!

    Willard had a few holes in his sails, such as we all do. But we should be indebted to him for his work in advancement of Spiritual Formation in evangelical circles.

  13. Pineapple Head says:

    There are many things about me that crave a life of simplicity and minimalism. But those itchy robes… 🙂

  14. pstrmike says:

    go with flips flops, a short sleeve shirt, shorts, and stole . It is after all, the 21st century. Right DA? (jk)

  15. Terry says:

    No one on this site seems nearly as interested in Mike Bickle as they do Doug Wilson or Mark Driscoll. Here is the most concise article I’ve read on the current investigation. I’m hoping people outside the Charismatic ecosystem will take notice.

    https://stephendeere.substack.com/p/the-house-of-prayer-is-burning-freedom?r=vzvis&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

  16. WenatcheeTheHatchet says:

    I admit in my case there’s a mental/emotional bandwidth element, and the situation isn’t as directly connected to me as MD and DW, but I have seen Bickle headlines in the last month or so. My mom was into the Kansas City Prophets for a time, though, so the Roys Report headlines did catch my attention. I just hadn’t gotten around to reading the coverage. The past tense in the last sentence is the give-away that my friend Lief Moi wasn’t the only death in the last 16 months that I got hit with.

    It seems to take a lot to get people to be aware of things outside a given wheelhouse. In the New Calvinist scene John Piper was a big deal but outside the New Calvinist scene people have literally no idea who the guy is or why he would matter. It seems legends in niche Christianity are nobodies everywhere else even in the internet age.

  17. Michael says:

    Terry,

    It’s hard for me because I could never understand why anybody buys into that bullstuff in the first place…

  18. Muff Potter says:

    I still don’t understand why human sexuality is such a big deal for evangelicals.

  19. Terry says:

    While I never bought into IHOPKC, I attended their Passion For Jesus conference 10 years ago. Good messages along the lines of AW Tozer. At the time I also had a post-trib, pre-mil eschatology similar to what Bickle taught. Of the NAR groups, they seemed the least wacky (no gold dust and angel feathers manifestations).

    I was put off by the ongoing “we are God’s great end times warriors” rally cries. Earlier on, as KC Metro Vineyard, they had literally referred to themselves as “God’s A-Team”.

    Until this fall we were all unaware Bickle had been grooming and abusing young women all the way back to 1982. His pickup line was “God told me my wife was going to die, and you are going to be my next wife. Its okay if we have sex”. That line worked better than seems possible.

  20. Captain Kevin says:

    “ That line worked better than seems possible.”

    That line should have been interpreted, “Run Forest!!”

  21. John in AZ says:

    Wenatchee,

    Kansas City Prophets sounds like the name of a hockey team!

  22. Josh says:

    There was a lot of hockey involved.

  23. Captain Kevin says:

    Yeah, as Col. Sherman Potter would call it, “Horse Hockey!”

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