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  1. Dan from Georgia says:

    Amen Michael.

    Today it is SO disheartening to see clear Biblical teaching shown to a BELIEVER, and they reject the teaching AND you because it doesn’t fit the narrative they believe in.

    God’s clear commands are given a “thumbs down” from BELIEVERS.

    I am guilty too. I remember back in college I took part in passing out flyers stating that the deceased famous atheist Madalyn Murray O’Hair was try to get Christian broadcasting off the air. I was gently but firmly told that it was a rumor/falsehood. There are other examples too.

    These days there is HUGE resistance to setting down our lies. I sometime think that this is what the Bible speaks of when it states that God will send a strong delusion.

  2. Janet Linn, BrideofChrist says:

    This is so powerful. Amen to all you’ve posted, Michael! I’m saving all these Bible verses. We all need reminding that God has seen the deceitfullness of mankind before; its nothing new to Him. These verses are a warning to both the purveyors of the deceit and the gullible victims of the deceit. We hear the term ‘ gas lighting’ so often today, but this sinful behavior is as old as mankind. Everyone needs to fact check EVERYTHING with reliable sources and not just be led around by the nose. And no, its not true just because you read it on the internet somewhere!

  3. Michael says:

    Dan,

    I believe the delusion has been unleashed…

  4. Michael says:

    Janet Linn, BrideofChrist,

    Thank you…this is old indeed…but may be the last time…

  5. LInn says:

    I believe that technology has caused us to create our own realities, with our own filters for what is true/untrue. It’s the old “but I saw it on TV” excuse for buying into the most horrible of lies. I have two email accounts (work and personal), and I have to empty spam out every morning before I even begin to read the “real” email (which sometimes turns out to be spam, anyway). We are also suffering from an education system that doesn’t teach people critical thinking skills. I am amazed at the conclusions people come to just because they “did their own research.”

    I don’t know how to cure a society that has become so easily deceived. We may not always share the same opinions, but we should at least have some reasonable facts to back up our opinions.

  6. filistine says:

    Besides loving one another and loving our enemies, perhaps one of the greatest measures of Christian remnant living will be our honesty/truthfulness, both towards each other and those outside the faith. Not the self-serving arrogant ‘telling the truth because they need to hear it/the spirit told me to correct your error’ either, but speaking the truth in love. Perhaps we should begin by practicing with those within the circle of faith…

  7. Michael says:

    Well said, Linn….thank you!

  8. Michael says:

    filistine,

    Amen and amen to all you said…

  9. Dan from Georgia says:

    well put filistine!

  10. Captain Kevin says:

    Good stuff, Michael… unfortunately

  11. Michael says:

    CK,

    Thanks…I must write better right after I’ve been gut shot…

    Dread is correct however…the thousands of people that no longer visit this den of iniquity won’t read it and it won’t matter.

  12. Alan says:

    Ok

    My insult was public so let my mea culpa be public. Gut shooting a man I love was not my intent. I am sorry Michael. Forgive me.

    I cannot find a way that will get through here. I disagree over and over . I owe my life to the evangelical presentation of Jesus. I will never cease to be grateful that zealous witnesses reached my darkened heart. It’s all falling apart but my life in Jesus is owed to their flawed fervor.

    The Bible thumpers that I know never stop loving. They are the most devoted, genuine, beautiful people I know. The institutions they serve do not deserve them but did help create them.

    I don’t like the spirit of PP anymore but this has been my only online home for years now. Not belonging is definitely a thing.

    I brought hurt and pain to a friend and damn me for it. I doubt I can do any better. That’s my problem.

    No solution, I just don’t want to be the cause of pain. I have enough of that.

    So here I am with no answers and no excuses.

  13. Michael says:

    Alan,

    Accepted.
    Forgiven.
    Thank you.

    So if you disagree over and over, a good place to start would be what you disagree with and why.

    The exodus from here didn’t stop for conversation…

    You have had good experiences with evangelicals…talk about them,…tell us what we need to know and …big and…tell us how to balance it against what I see as slavish devotion to a devil and more weird stories and myths than I can number.

    I didn’t ask anyone to leave…and when I did it wasn’t because of politics.

    I was loved…until I wasn’t…

    I want to be fair and I want this place to be set apart in terms of its witness to Jesus…where do we go from here?

    While you’re at it…explain to me what happened to Beth Moore, Russel Moore and others…they too were loved until they weren’t…hardly liberals, yet excluded.

  14. Pineapple Head says:

    “While you’re at it…explain to me what happened to Beth Moore, Russel Moore and others…they too were loved until they weren’t…hardly liberals, yet excluded.”

    And most recently, Alistair Begg.

    I was pretty impressed with the message he shared following the dust up. He (humbly) stuck to his guns based on scripture. Not that the issue doesn’t cause one to wrestle.

    Begg spoke to something that you have talked about here: the ability to deal with tension and nuance. Seems some are able to go there….and some are not.

  15. Stephen says:

    Amen, Michael.

    (Unfortunately.)

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