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  1. I haven’t shared one of these on here for a while but here are 20 free Amazon classic literature ebooks here.

    My wife and I are going to go see “Wicked: The Untold Story of the Witches of Oz” at the Orpheum Theatre tonight. We are excited about that.

  2. erunner says:

    Music is up for the week. I’m covering the 20th and 21st centuries today! Drop by and check out some nice music.

  3. The Sabbath is sundown Friday until sundown Saturday.

    I am not Seventh Day Adventist but I believe that there is a reason God said to REMEMBER the Sabbath in His fourth Commandment. Many denominations as a whole fail to be correct about many things but are at least correct about some things. Although the Seventh Day Adventists have a poor history regarding the beginning of their denomination are they not Biblically correct about the Sabbath; and the Advent of Christ’s future return to rule and end evil? I know that my God is the one who created all things in six days and rested on the seventh day and I have no problem letting the modern world know that He is the God I worship.

    Genesis 2:3
    King James Version (KJV)

    3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

    King James Bible
    The Seventh Day: God Rests
    (Exodus 16:22-36; Hebrews 4:1-11)

    1Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

    King James Bible
    Exodus 20: 8-11 The Fourth Commandment
    (Deuteronomy 5:8-11)

    8Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. (Notice that in verse 10 it says, “But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God”, meaning that it belongs to God and not to man. If the 7th day is to change to any other day only He can change the day, not man.)

    Please watch completely (many other questions are answered in it) and advise me as to where you can see error in the following:

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  4. Michael says:

    “There were three reasons for giving this [fourth] commandment: First, with the seventh day of rest the Lord wished to give to the people of Israel an image of spiritual rest, whereby believers must cease from their own works in order to let the Lord work in them. Secondly, he wished that there be an established day in which believers might assemble in order to hear his Law and worship him. Thirdly, he willed that one day of rest be granted to servants and to those who live under the power of others so that they might have a relaxation from their labor. The latter, however, is rather an inferred than a principal reason.

    As to the first reason, there is no doubt that it ceased in Christ; because he is the truth by the presence of which all images vanish. He is the reality at whose advent all shadows are abandoned. Hence St. Paul (Col. 2:17) that the sabbath has been a shadow of a reality yet to be. And he declares elsewhere its truth when in the letter to the Romans, ch. 6:8, he teaches us that we are buried with Christ in order that by his death we may die to the corruption of our flesh. And this is not done in one day, but during all the course of our life, until altogether dead in our own selves, we may be filled with the life of God. Hence, superstitious observance of days must remain far from Christians.

    The two last reasons, however, must not be numbered among the shadows of old. Rather, they are equally valid for all ages. Hence, though the sabbath is abrogated, it so happens among us that we still convene on certain days in order to hear the word of God, to break the [mystic] bread of the Supper, and to offer public prayers; and, moreover, in order that some relaxation from their toil be given to servants and workingmen. As our human weakness does not allow such assemblies to meet every day, the day observed by the Jews has been taken away (as a good device for eliminating superstition) and another day has been destined to this use. This was necessary for securing and maintaining order and peace in the Church.

    As the truth therefore was given to the Jews under a figure, so to us on the contrary truth is shown without shadows in order, first of all, that we meditate all our life on a perpetual sabbath from our works so that the Lord may operate in us by his spirit; secondly, in order that we observe the legitimate order of the Church for listening to the word of God, for admin-istering the sacraments, and for public prayers; thirdly, in order that we do not oppress inhumanly with work those who are subject to us.”


  5. erunner says:

    If I recall correctly the SDA church has equated ‘Sunday worship’ to be akin to accepting the mark of the beast?? I recall that being a pretty shocking claim.

  6. Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ. (Colossians 2:16-17, ESV)

  7. Michael says:

    This is one of those issues that some people like to use to divide the church and declare themselves holy and others profane.
    If you want to observe Saturday…bless you.
    If you worship on another day…bless you too.

  8. Steve Wright says:

    The Sabbath is the only of the 10 that specifically says “for Israel” and says “forever” Ex 31:16 – and if there is one thing that kept the Jewish people as a separate, unique identity for the 1900 years they did not have a country is the tradition of keeping the Sabbath wherever they might be located.

    It is the only one of the 10 commandments not repeated for the Church in the New Testament, and as Derek rightly notes, there is specific instruction to the contrary that the Church has no such command.

  9. Re:. Michael @ # 7,

    I agree that there is nothing wrong with worshiping on Sunday or any other day, or all other days as far as that goes, however I think it is clearly Biblical that we are not to have that “replace” the Sabbath day that God blessed and commanded us to “remember”. In fact I do not see anywhere in God’s seventh day Sabbath to even state it to be a day of “worship” other than to “rest” as a sign of acknowledging Him to be the creator of everything in six days.

  10. Michael says:


    “Clearly” biblical is a matter of opinion on secondary issues.
    In my opinion, it’s “clearly biblical” that the Sabbath was a shadow that Christ fulfilled.
    The passage in Colossians answers that pretty “clearly”.

  11. RE: Steve Wright @ # 8 says – “The Sabbath is the only of the 10 that specifically says “for Israel” and says “forever” Ex 31:16”

    However Ex 31:16 is in a paragraph that starts at Ex 31:12 – “The Lord then gave further instructions to Moses…..”

    Therefore Ex 31:16 is not one of the 10 commandments that you say “specifically says ‘for Israel’”.

  12. Michael says:


    If this is a matter of conscience for you, then by all means follow it.
    The Colossian passage gives you the same right to observe as you see fit as it does to me not to not observe as you do.
    My only issue would be in trying to make it prescriptive for the entire church.

  13. Micheal, Re; your # 10

    By me saying “clearly Biblical” regarding God not wanting the Sabbath to be changed, I am referring to Ex 20:11 where is says, “…..wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.” What God blesses and hallows cannot be changed. That is not my “opinion”.

  14. Steve Wright says:

    Ex 31:17 continues to make the point that the Sabbath is a sign between the Lord and the children of Israel forever.

    Since I’m one of those guys who thinks Israel means the Jews, and since 1900+ years of history (both Church as well as Jewish history) seem to confirm the interpretation…I think I am on solid ground there.

  15. Michael says:


    Do you keep the whole Law?

  16. Steve Wright says:

    I don’t think the Sabbath has changed. It always was Saturday, and remains so today.

    It is also clearly Biblical that the death penalty accompanied violation of the Sabbath – what is the justification for keeping the commandment without the penalty?

  17. I never meant to indicate that Colossians 2:16-17 is not correct and yes the “Church” has the right to be forgiven through Christ regarding breaking the 4th commandment along with any of the others. My point is obviously being misunderstood. I am not saying that people need to worship only on Saturday. My one and only point is that Saturday, the Seventh Day or whatever you want to call it, is the day God blessed and hallowed as being the “Sabbath”. Ex 20:10 “10But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God:…..” I guess it is only my “opinion” that God’s fourth commandment started with the word “remember” because He knew the “Church” would forget, but for whatever reason, He “clearly” said to “remember” it.

  18. Michael says:


    I like how MacArthur parses this…

    In Colossians 2:16-17, Paul explicitly refers to the Sabbath as a shadow of Christ, which is no longer binding since the substance (Christ) has come. It is quite clear in those verses that the weekly Sabbath is in view. The phrase “a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day” refers to the annual, monthly, and weekly holy days of the Jewish calendar (cf. 1 Chronicles 23:31; 2 Chronicles 2:4; 31:3; Ezekiel 45:17; Hosea 2:11). If Paul were referring to special ceremonial dates of rest in that passage, why would he have used the word “Sabbath?” He had already mentioned the ceremonial dates when he spoke of festivals and new moons.

    The Sabbath was the sign to Israel of the Mosaic Covenant (Exodus 31:16-17; Ezekiel 20:12; Nehemiah 9:14). Since we are now under the New Covenant (Hebrews 8), we are no longer required to observe the sign of the Mosaic Covenant.

    The New Testament never commands Christians to observe the Sabbath.

    In our only glimpse of an early church worship service in the New Testament, the church met on the first day of the week (Acts 20:7).

    Nowhere in the Old Testament are the Gentile nations commanded to observe the Sabbath or condemned for failing to do so. That is certainly strange if Sabbath observance were meant to be an eternal moral principle.

    There is no evidence in the Bible of anyone keeping the Sabbath before the time of Moses, nor are there any commands in the Bible to keep the Sabbath before the giving of the law at Mt. Sinai.

    When the Apostles met at the Jerusalem council (Acts 15), they did not impose Sabbath keeping on the Gentile believers.

    The apostle Paul warned the Gentiles about many different sins in his epistles, but breaking the Sabbath was never one of them.

    In Galatians 4:10-11, Paul rebukes the Galatians for thinking God expected them to observe special days (including the Sabbath).

    In Romans 14:5, Paul forbids those who observe the Sabbath (these were no doubt Jewish believers) to condemn those who do not (Gentile believers).

    The early church fathers, from Ignatius to Augustine, taught that the Old Testament Sabbath had been abolished and that the first day of the week (Sunday) was the day when Christians should meet for worship (contrary to the claim of many seventh-day sabbatarians who claim that Sunday worship was not instituted until the fourth century).

    Sunday has not replaced Saturday as the Sabbath. Rather the Lord’s Day is a time when believers gather to commemorate His resurrection, which occurred on the first day of the week. Every day to the believer is one of Sabbath rest, since we have ceased from our spiritual labor and are resting in the salvation of the Lord (Hebrews 4:9-11).

  19. PP Vet says:

    There is pretty good evidence that the NT eclipses the law including the Sabbath.

    It does not negate the principles underlying the law as conducive to healthy living.

    Many think it is healthy to take a day off every week. This week I am going to break that rule because I have so much to do. I will see how that turns out – I am praying that I would get away with it, but I do not plan to make a habit of it.

  20. Micheal,
    No, I do not keep the whole law anymore than anyone else and I never inferred that by addressing the SDA to be correct about honoring the Sabbath as Saturday.

    You said, “I don’t think the Sabbath has changed. It always was Saturday, and remains so today.” We are actually on the same page.

  21. Steve Wright says:


    I find it interesting that you would focus on the significance of the word “remember” for the Church today and yet so easily toss the multiple references to Israel that I cited earlier.

  22. Steve Wright says:

    You said, “I don’t think the Sabbath has changed. It always was Saturday, and remains so today.” We are actually on the same page.
    MacArthur said the same thing in what Michael posted.

    “Sunday has not replaced Saturday as the Sabbath”

  23. Michael says:

    The classic Reformed view;

    In the fourth Commandment of the divine law, part is ceremonial, part is moral.
    The rest of the seventh day after creation was ceremonial and its rigid observation peculiarly prescribed to the Jewish people.
    Moral in fact, because the fixed and enduring day of the worship of God is appointed, for as much rest as is necessary for the worship of God and holy meditation of him.
    With the Sabbath of the Jews having been abrogated, the Lord’s Day is solemnly sanctified by Christians.
    From the time of the Apostles this day was always observed in the ancient Catholic Church.
    This same day is thus consecrated for divine worship, so that in it one might rest from all servile works (with these excepted, which are works of charity and pressing necessity) and from those recreations which impede the worship of God.

  24. Steve Wright says:

    I can agree with all of those, Michael. Down to the line…

    I do wish that it was not so common to CALL the Lord’s Day which is Sunday, “the Sabbath”, as we often read, for example, in the Puritan works.

  25. PP Vet says:

    The Lord’s Day is Sunday??? Converting the NT into a law book now, are we? Who is to say what day is Sunday, anyway? Is the US calendar canonical?

  26. I am curious if mentioned in my # 3 has been watched?

  27. Can’t watch it right now, cause my wife and I are watching “Midsomer Murders” on Netflix. Trying to watch a Youtube video would mess the stream up.
    I did go to the webpage of the group that put the video out.
    So far, I disagree with their take on the sabbath.

  28. Michael says:

    I watched most of it, but it was historically and exegetically pretty lame.
    There are very good and compelling arguments for your position and derivatives of it…I would suggest that if this is important to you that you point people to those.

  29. In regards to MacArthur’s, “In our only glimpse of an early church worship service in the New Testament, the church met on the first day of the week (Acts 20:7 ).”

    Nowhere in there does is say they were having a “worship service” on a weekly basis. It says that they “were gathered together to break bread”….” intending to depart on the next day, and he prolonged his speech until midnight.”

  30. PP Vet says:

    Is 58:13 says the sabbath is the Lord’s Day. John in Revelation mentions the Lord’s Day, and the early church had its traditions.

    To build out of that a supposed law in an attempt to bring people into bondage to your personal religious proclivities is a crime.

    Do what you like, but if you are going to claim it is not OK to regard all days alike, you have some Bible abridging to do.

  31. Thank you all for the discussion.

    God bless you,

  32. Steve Wright says:

    To build out of that a supposed law in an attempt to bring people into bondage to your personal religious proclivities is a crime.
    Do what you like, but if you are going to claim it is not OK to regard all days alike, you have some Bible abridging to do.

    PP Vet – Good grief PP Vet I was QUOTING the usage as found in not just one but two posts of Michael’s before mine – MacArthur and the reformed one.

    And I entered the discussion affirming Derek’s use of the Colossians quote.

    Some of you wait until you see the poster’s name before you spout outrage, even if others say the same thing earlier. It is lunacy.

  33. Why does this continually get discussion – the 10 commandments were for Israel only – not a one is for the Church.

    “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.”

  34. PP Vet says:

    The Legalism Watch Brigade acknowledges the fully absolving clarification by Pastor Steve in #32.

  35. MLD,

    Since, “the 10 commandments were for Israel only” does that mean it is okay for the Church to break all of them?

    Just because they were “given to” Israel first does not mean they were “only for” Israel.

    Christ was first given to Israel also; does that mean that He is not given to the Church too?

    I do not mean to criticize you in particular. I just fail to understand why people in general seem to separate what God gave to Israel (His people) from what is expected of ALL of God’s people, Jew or Gentile.

    The “Law” is God’s requirement to be righteous and the only way anyone can fulfill that Law is through Christ because Christ IS God (the word of God made flesh) and He is the only one that can fulfill it.

    I know I will be accused widely of being way out of bounds here but to me, the fact that the literal Word of God is fulfilled by the flesh Word of God is showing Jews and Gentiles alike that the Law was made to show us what we cannot do, not to expect us to do it. We are however seeing the difference between God and us which should cause us to worship His Righteousness and that is the purpose of the Law in need of a sacrifice, be it a lamb, or Thee Lamb. By us offering a sacrificial lamb or by us offering Thee Sacrificial Lamb, we are admitting that God is God and we are not.

    By the way, the God that is God is the one who created everything in six days and rested on the Sabbath blessing it, sanctifying it and telling us to remember it.

    Sorry if this seems to all be coming together with the same meaning but that is how the Bible works, it all comes to the meaning of whom God is and who we are, and which one is righteous and deserving to be worshiped and praised, and why.

    I rest my case and hope someone understands me.

  36. covered says:

    A Drop of Water in the Ocean, what type of a church do you attend? This question is purely out of curiousity.

  37. Covered,

    I have a history of attending many different denomination and non-denominational churches. For the last four years I have been listening to services online and doing my own Bible Study and Bible reading, relying on the Holy Spirit that Christ said He would leave to be with us to guide me.

    God bless you,

  38. A Drop,
    I think god was clear who the 10 commandments were for in his preface. He did not bring the gentiles etc out of Egypt or slavery. I think he wanted to make that point clear.

    How a Christian is to live under Christ is available to Christians in the New Testament.

  39. MLD @ # 30 said,

    I think god was clear who the 10 commandments were for in his preface. He did not bring the gentiles etc out of Egypt or slavery. I think he wanted to make that point clear.
    How a Christian is to live under Christ is available to Christians in the New Testament.

    My point is that God gave the 10 Commandments to His people. Yes Israel were His specific people referred to as being brought out of Egypt but they were His people just as much as Adam and Eve were before Israel existed and it was them (Adam and Eve) / (His people) that He introduced the Sabbath and His Law to. Of course at the time of Adam and Eve there was no need for a stone tablet, He spoke to them (His people) directly.

    Again, God’s “word” was/is His Law. When they disobeyed Him and ate of the Tree of Knowledge they became aware of what they did wrong because they now had the knowledge of right and wrong; and thus found out that they are not equal to God and His righteousness and it is impossible for them to be just like Him. Since then it has been required by God for His people to confess and repent.

    This is purely my own personal belief but had Adam and Eve confessed and repented instead of making excuses of their wrong and blaming the serpent they would have been forgiven, which is exactly what He has been trying to point out through Sacrifices; admitting we are not capable and in need of a Savior/Mercy/Grace.

  40. JonnyB,

    No one said anything about the SDA being the right religion; I merely said that they are correct in claiming the Sabbath to be the last day of the week.

  41. At intermission of “Wicked”. This show is awesome!

  42. Bob says:


    You live in SoCal, correct?

    Yep he hasn’t brought you out of “Egypt” yet! 🙂

    So how about those Seven Noahide commandments?

  43. Jeff Sheckstein, (Don’t know if you are reading)
    This concerning the show “Wicked” I saw last night.
    You were right that was probably the best thing I have seen in a long time. Glinda and Elphaba were amazing and the production was just first rate.
    Just wanted to let you know!

  44. the guy in the corner says:

    Was it a stage production or a movie? Did it give you sympathy for the wicked witches? Did it shed new light on the Frank L Baum stories?

  45. It was the Broadway musical live at the Orpheum Theatre in Memphis. No new light on the original stories, based more on “Wicked: The Life and Times of the Wicked Witch of the West” by Gregory Maguire.

    They are touring around the country right now. If it is anywhere near you and you have the chance to see it, I highly recommend it!

  46. Oh, and if you go, be prepared to laugh a lot. It is hilarious at times.

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