The New Victor, My husband and I watched the first two parts of the documentary last night. It is full of new footage and newspaper stories about the organization. Definitely all facts. There are also many interviews with high profile individuals with direct knowledge and participation in this group. It was originally local pastors in Washington that called for this “shadow” church to be investigated. The pastors were disturbed that a secret church that was closed to the public has so much influence and that the group violated Democratic principles and separation of church h and state. Documents outlining the groups structure and goals spelled out are shared in the documentary. The group was a secret Christian fraternity of powerful politicians and leaders, and is apparently not so secret today. They have had their tax exempt religious organization status taken from them as well, according to the documentary.
I can’t watch it as I don’t have Netflix (cancelled it a couple of months ago) – but there is no Democratic principle of the separation of church and state.
The constitution is clear that the state is to stay out of the church (this is why they cannot tax a church whether they are a 501c3 or not). At the same time, there is nothing to keep the church or church individuals out of any government involvement or activity.
If my church wants to invest it’s funds in developing it’s members to be politicians or fulltime political / governmental workers, that is a good thing and no one else’s business.
On the other hand, false religion comes from the false prophet. The false prophet is the description given to the 2nd beast out of the land.
At various points in history, some religious entities, which are false / non Christian, are working in the service of the beast. They will sing the gospel of whichever political power is in play – whichever philosophy is currently turning heads and running the landscape.
They are there preaching a gospel other than Christ, but in the name of Christ. Example, Hitler takes over the Christian church saying we now have a German Christianity – Jesus is now replaced as he is no longer a Jewish boy but a perfect Arian god. Perhaps this is true in America.
But at this point, who can blame the organization? They are just doing what is in their interest. The culprits are those in political power who take the bait in their own interest.
I don’t have Netflix, so I won’t see it.
I don’t really need anything else to stoke my utter loathing of “Christian” politics that are as anti-Christ as anything in this world right now.
Guess I’ll watch cat videos or hockey highlights and stay sane…
Saw the first two episodes. Other than an odd Christian quasi-frat, and possible soft enabling of the affairs of a senator and a governor because the group desired they reconcile and retain their positions, I’m not seeing the angle here that’s evil. Doug Coe played a key part in the camp David accords and a peace treaty between two warring African nations? Were those things bad? I’m waiting for the revelations that The Group actually drove or drives major policy or laws in this country to the detriment of the nation. Individual politicians on both sides not associated with The Group have done far worse.
The group also influenced Uganda to adopt a death penalty for homosexuals. Another member was sent to prison for two years for money laundering. There’s more – you’ll have to watch the last three parts of the documentary in order to see the whole picture.
I saw the trailer on Netflix today. Seems kind of conspiracy theorist? Like Bohemian Grove, Bildeburgers, CFR? Maybe it’s all true.
Looks fascinating.
I read the book and it’s sequel years ago.
Watched all five episodes today.
Gripping.
Highly recommend.
The New Victor, My husband and I watched the first two parts of the documentary last night. It is full of new footage and newspaper stories about the organization. Definitely all facts. There are also many interviews with high profile individuals with direct knowledge and participation in this group. It was originally local pastors in Washington that called for this “shadow” church to be investigated. The pastors were disturbed that a secret church that was closed to the public has so much influence and that the group violated Democratic principles and separation of church h and state. Documents outlining the groups structure and goals spelled out are shared in the documentary. The group was a secret Christian fraternity of powerful politicians and leaders, and is apparently not so secret today. They have had their tax exempt religious organization status taken from them as well, according to the documentary.
I can’t watch it as I don’t have Netflix (cancelled it a couple of months ago) – but there is no Democratic principle of the separation of church and state.
The constitution is clear that the state is to stay out of the church (this is why they cannot tax a church whether they are a 501c3 or not). At the same time, there is nothing to keep the church or church individuals out of any government involvement or activity.
If my church wants to invest it’s funds in developing it’s members to be politicians or fulltime political / governmental workers, that is a good thing and no one else’s business.
On the other hand, false religion comes from the false prophet. The false prophet is the description given to the 2nd beast out of the land.
At various points in history, some religious entities, which are false / non Christian, are working in the service of the beast. They will sing the gospel of whichever political power is in play – whichever philosophy is currently turning heads and running the landscape.
They are there preaching a gospel other than Christ, but in the name of Christ. Example, Hitler takes over the Christian church saying we now have a German Christianity – Jesus is now replaced as he is no longer a Jewish boy but a perfect Arian god. Perhaps this is true in America.
But at this point, who can blame the organization? They are just doing what is in their interest. The culprits are those in political power who take the bait in their own interest.
I don’t have Netflix, so I won’t see it.
I don’t really need anything else to stoke my utter loathing of “Christian” politics that are as anti-Christ as anything in this world right now.
Guess I’ll watch cat videos or hockey highlights and stay sane…
Saw the first two episodes. Other than an odd Christian quasi-frat, and possible soft enabling of the affairs of a senator and a governor because the group desired they reconcile and retain their positions, I’m not seeing the angle here that’s evil. Doug Coe played a key part in the camp David accords and a peace treaty between two warring African nations? Were those things bad? I’m waiting for the revelations that The Group actually drove or drives major policy or laws in this country to the detriment of the nation. Individual politicians on both sides not associated with The Group have done far worse.
The group also influenced Uganda to adopt a death penalty for homosexuals. Another member was sent to prison for two years for money laundering. There’s more – you’ll have to watch the last three parts of the documentary in order to see the whole picture.