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  1. Jtk says:

    #3 and #8–amazing!

    I seem to remember a saint who was imprisoned as a martyr…..
    His believing parents died when he was young….
    He gave away his wealth….
    Notably to the family with 3 girls, in their stockings…..
    Between him and those like him, they took down the Roman Empire.

    Maybe you’ve seen someone dressed up somewhat like that Saint recently….

  2. Em says:

    Sarah’s thoughts blessed me this a.m. thank you for the link

    #5 – i am oldern anybody and we received no religious instruction in my schools out in So. California in the 40s, nor did we pray there … it even seemed strange and out of place when Eisenhower added “in God” to the pledge of allegiance to the nation – the closest we got to religion in secular life was a song: “Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition” …. or maybe, “Somewhere Over the Rainbow” 🙂

    #6 – hillbillies handle their guns pretty well, i think, don’t they? our troubles these days are from somewhat upper middle class twisted souls are they not?

  3. Michael says:


    Our problems are the same as they have always been and they defy economic categories.
    Our souls are sick, we are spiritually depraved, and we need a Savior.

  4. Nonnie says:

    Excellent post! I agree with you and especially Numbers 2, 3 and 4 a resounding YES!!

    Number 10… Somedays the sorrow and/or fear is almost too much, but then a friend comes alongside and reminds me of the hope we have in Christ. We need to remind one another of this. I am thankful God has placed brothers and sisters in my life that will weep and pray with me, but also remind me of His precious promises.

  5. 1. I think that Satan and his ilk love to mess with and amplify man’s own evil thoughts and intentions into things like what happened last week. I do hope that people see and recognize these things, but it seems that christians are the only ones and then not all of them.
    2. Agreed. “The day of” is way too early to be debating gun control.
    3. I think both sides are guilty of this. Some hold up govt. intervention as the solution while others say looser govt. intervention is the solution. Neither relies on God, but on either the power of govt. or the power of themselves.
    4. “I wasn’t aware that anybody could force God out of anywhere…”…so true. I still fail to see the logic in his own argument though. “God out of schools” caused someone outside the school to come in and do this. How does the last support the first?
    5. Good point….someone will fuss about any of the above. Best to have the responsibility lie where it should, with the parent/parents. On the other hand, right now it seems that teaching is actively slanted in the secular mindset and supports multiple things that run contrary to christianity. All the more reason that christian parents should take an active role in the spiritual development of their children.
    6. Totally disagree. I know plenty of fine hillbillies with weapons who are extremely responsible with their weapons. That is because, “redneck” culture teaches great respect for weapons and Em has it right, “upper middle class” seems to be the problem. I think this is because they like the gun culture they see on TV and the movies without the culture of respect for weapons that comes with that responsibility.
    7. That was a great article!
    8. Amen!
    9. Sad, but true!
    10. Always…
    Loved Sarah’s article!

  6. filbertz says:

    The antithesis to burying my mom last Thursday, who lived to be nearly 91 having lived a full and rewarding life, is to bury 26 victims whose lives were cut short in horrible violence. It is nearly incomprehensible. I, too, am sickened by the posturing and ‘damage control’ of various parties as well as the tendency to roll out the party-line apologetics to explain it all. Can’t we shut up once in a while and FEEL it? Grieve, emote, suffer…? If “the greatest of these is love” then perhaps we ought to get in sync with learning how love works.

    As a teacher in a public school that is perhaps less secure than most, I would caution against quick solutions that impose measures counter to our calling as teachers…those who educate and nurture. Don’t speak on my behalf and act as though you know what would work. Educators are struggling to know how best to keep our environment safe and secure without sacrificing the very environment that allows students to learn without distraction and fear. By the way, the staff at Sandy Hook acted in the same manner I would anticipate most educators would react–proactively, assertively, courageously, sacrificially.

  7. Em says:

    filbertz, my condolences on the loss of you mom … and you observations as a professional in the field are well spoken … we see reports on students expelled for being in possession of a picture of something that could be a weapon and we wonder … yet, the ability to handle a classroom of today’s children, let alone teach them calls for above average people – you teachers (the boots on the ground 🙂 ) have my respect and admiration

  8. Michael says:


    Excellent post…you put your finger on what bothered me the most…the fact that many chose not to feel the impact of what happened.

  9. Sarah says:

    I usually process things through writing….but it is somewhat like an itch I can’t quite get to as I’ve tried to process the events of the last few days. I went from the slap of the events on Friday to a sweet and joyful celebration Sunday evening with our fellowship…celebration of hope and joy. There is something still unsaid, but I think the processing is important and the dialog with one another. At any rate…thank you for the kind comments on my thoughts.

    It has been sometimes infuriating and sometimes healing to read the comments of friends on FB….interestingly, most of my friends who are unbelievers have been very quiet.

    Your #8….AMEN!

  10. Michael says:

    “Hillbilly” is a generic term I use for those things or people I find thoughtless or ignorant.

    I watch people go into rages every day over utterly inconsequential matters and truly believe that if they were armed they would be capable of great harm.

  11. Sarah says:

    Yes…fil, so sorry to hear of the loss of your mom. And I add an amen to the thoughts on the teachers.

  12. I am going to submit this book for everyone’s consideration. I read it about a year ago and it is one of those kind of books that quotes just jump out at you and say “This is true, but you never thought of it that way before!” It is “From the Garden to the City” by John Dyer.
    It addresses technology and how we interact and how it changes us. This includes all technology from the shovel, to the gun, to the iPhone. It pretty much shows you how we think technology is neutral and can only be used for either good or evil, but it really isn’t, technology changes us and our habits. It was an amazing book and even touches on both sides of the gun control issue.
    Here are some of the quotes from the book:

  13. jlo says:

    My FB page is flooded with posts that state, in one form or another, that this tragedy happened because we allowed God to be removed from our schools, I just keep thinking if we take God with us, if the Holy Spirit dwells within us, how can God be removed?

  14. Michael says:


  15. bishopdave says:

    I took Huckabee’s comments as not limiting God, but rather emphasizing that with our culture of post-modern, reltativistic morality we are getting into the experience of the book of Judges: “every man did that which was right in his own eyes.”

    We also keep seeing, as stated before, upper middle class backgrounds, loners and misfits–when churches, and for that matter Boy/Girl Scouts or sports teams or whatever, don’t provide real community these seem to not learn how to fit in on their own. Mental illness + isolation = powder kegs of frustration and anger.

    No, we didn’t have these shootings when I was a kid, despite widespread avaialbliity of firearms. it is the heart. All evil proceeds from our heart. And yet from depraved humanity can also come the acts of heroism and sacrifice–people died trying to disarm him and defend the children. If it weren’t for evil, maybe we would never know how strong the good can be.

  16. Ixtlan says:

    Much worse than more hillbillies having more weapons would be if no one else but hillbillies had them. There are those who are responsible gunowners in this country, including those who conceal and carry. I think Alex was spot on in an earlier thread regarding increased security at public schools. Taking away guns is about as rational as executing every person who ever even for one moment entertained the ideal of mass murder, although it would be my preference. And I’m sure many people over the course of their dark hour, have considered it.

  17. bishopdave has me thinking some more … completely apart from the unfolding of prophesy and the exercise of our Faith, i have often thought that much of what we sometimes call “going postal” is the result of social engineering and profiling – psychology – a tactic that has been growing and refining as the smart way to organize and manipulate to get the job done for several decades now … the more guile, the better … rightly or wrongly, it leaves some well meaning, as well as some not so well meaning, souls in confusion and frustration … MHO

    blame shifting isn’t new, but living without a fear of eternity, without absolutes was seen as a criminal mindset when i was young … as i seem to recall it 🙄

  18. jlo’s #14 – you know what is sad to me? these folk who say that our troubles are the result of removing God are sooo close to the truth …

  19. Josh Hamrick says:

    I can’t think about the Newtown tragedy any more. It’s too much for me. In a few days, I’ll be able to reflect, and see what small movements I can make to better my little community, and prevent this type of thing from happening here. For now, I’ve got to turn it off. We weren’t meant to take in this 24-7 barrage of information. Honestly, I think that is part of what is fueling the problem.

    I want to think about art, about metaphor, about beauty, imagery, things that are larger than what we can grasp…

  20. erunner says:

    Mental illness has been thrust into the national discussion as a result of this latest national tragedy. PTSD specifically has been the topic of much conversation as discussion turns towards the survivors.

    We have an epidemic on our hands when it comes to legitimate mental illness. I would hate for the stigma to remain in place that many have towards the mentally ill, especially in the church. These unfortunate souls are loved by God and are not inhabited by demons or spiritually bankrupt. They are victims just as people with cancer are.

    In watching news reports people are speaking of PTSD in real and responsible ways. I pray the church will do so as well and become a sanctuary for those struggling with mental illness. These people need to know we accept them and that God loves them. And for those who don’t know Christ I pray scores come to know Him as Savior.

  21. Scott says:

    I have wept several this weekend over this tragedy. Moore’s perspective struck a chord in my soul. I have been thinking a lot about Jeremiah 31:15 and the fulfillment of that prophesy in Matthew 2:18. Can you imagine?

  22. Em says:

    erunner, if my #18 sounded disrespectful of mental health problems, i so apologize, and you sound an important call for being rational … psychology and psychiatry as a healing art have done so much good … a true blessing from scientific pursuit

  23. I agree with Josh – this gets to be to much to digest and stay sane.
    Saturday, I was at my granddaughter’s dance show. We were sitting in a school auditorium and I thought about how vulnerable we all were sitting with our backs to the doors.

    After the show and lunch, my wife and I went out to Fashion Island to do a little shopping – 2 hours before the shooter showed up there and fired 50 shots.

  24. PP Vet says:

    Wow MLD close call.

    As for whether evil exists, it must, because every time I decide to fast people show up out of nowhere offering me food.

  25. Em says:

    from what you all are saying, those of us who’ve cancelled our network TV feed are fortunate … i keep abreast of what’s happening via internet on my own terms and that’s enough to process

  26. Still processing, glad to find thinkers are thinking…

  27. Em says:

    we have recent reports from China of horrible attacks on schoolchildren and here is a Wikipedia link that gives one pause – all this is to ask, don’t we need an answer, a long overdue answer, as to why? it does look like assault rifles will be going up in value and down in supply now, but that isn’t the answer … or so it seems to me

  28. That wikipedia link should tell all that this isn’t some new problem. Same old sin different century.

  29. This one from a pastor.
    Yes, this helps…

  30. Chile says:

    Filberts, sorry to hear of the passing of your mother.

  31. brian says:

    1.good thoughts Michael, I am sure glad I erased what I was first going to post. Good words. Now is not the time for my usual shtick.

  32. Alex says:

    If you want more Mexico, just take the guns away from the law abiding sane folks here in the US. I don’t understand the intellectual disconnect.

    Enforce the rule of law and focus on the bad guys, the mentally ill, etc.

    As more and more of these tragedies occur, the wrong answer is to create more “Gun Free Zones”…that only invites more tragedy. You might as well post an ad to the bad guys saying, “come shoot this place up, we’re all unarmed”.

    People suck, they always have, always will. If you want to see carnage like Mexico on a more regular basis, just pass more anti-gun laws that only the law abiding folks will obey.

  33. Alex says:

    “2. I was stunned and sickened by those who chose to make the tragedy a political debate on the day when tears and groans were the only proper response. More sickened than stunned…”

    Bullspit. Bloomberg spouts his stuff b/c in his delusion he probably thinks he can actually take every last gun away and is probably sincere, though wrong.

    There is no “proper response”. These tragedies can be mitigated if people would use the gray matter God gave them between their ears.

    Security doors that lock with a push of a button. Let teachers and/or coaches and/or administrators and/or the frickin’ janitor conceal carry if they are law abiding folks who are proficient with a firearm (on a voluntary basis).

    Huddling our children in a corner with an unarmed adult is a terrible strategy.

    I’m as torn up about the killings as anyone. I have kids. It makes me very sad and very angry. I choose to speak to an issue that would actually give my kids a chance at survival in a terrible situation like that.

    To me and many others that is a “proper” response and expression.

    Making this a mystical spiritual matter is probably only part of the equation.

    God gives us a brain and in this day and age, stuff seems to be resolved much differently than in the age of pre-Reason. We don’t see “miracles” today and we don’t see the supernatural (believe me we don’t, seen behind the curtain, there’s nothing supernatural there, just sinful men).

    There is evil, much of it is a function of brain chemistry gone wrong, probably a result of the fall.

    BG would look demon possessed when he went in his many rages. Was he literally demon possessed, or rather suffering from PTSD, as a good friend of his confirmed my stories that BG would have night terrors screaming and yelling often while they were together in Shiloh.

    The Brain, our onboard computer, can get messed up through trauma, extreme stress, abuse, drug use, birth defects, heredity etc.

    The resulting behaviors are “evil” and the demons most likely (if real) simply exploit the underlying chemical imbalance…or the demons are the imbalance.

    That or some folks are just bad/evil and hyper-calvinism is true.

    In any case, there’s not much you can do once the folks go crazy/evil. They’re going to hurt and/or kill and/or destroy.

    The only strategy one can really have when these inevitabilities occur is one of self-preservation, mitigation and protection of others. To do this effectively, one needs the lawful access and possession of a firearm.

    Now, if Bloomberg can successfully take all the firearms away from every last person, including our Government and the Governments of the World…then I’m with him. No more guns.

    Unfortunately, Bloomberg is a blooming delusional idiot and does more harm than good.

  34. Alex says:

    “6. I work with the public for a living…and the last thing I want to see is more of those hillbillies with weapons…”

    Well, the “hillbillies” and everyone else are buying guns like crazy again. My inventory is really low right now. Everyone’s buying them, the “hillbillies”, the “vatos”, the “me love you long times” you name it (that was a commentary on how “hillbilly” is a safe pejorative to white folks, but don’t you dare call anyone else a name or you’re a rrrrraaaaacccciiiiisssst!).

    I prefer Redneck over “hillbilly”…hillbilly is highly offensive and racist 😉

  35. Alex says:

    “3. Satan will respect stricter gun control laws as much as he respects any other law…what is it going to take for the church to stop leaning on the power of the government and start leaning on the power of the Spirit? If the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, why do we favor carnal weapons?”

    The “infallible, inerrant, perfect, inspired” ‘bible’:

    “Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

    By me kings reign and rulers make laws that are just

    For he “has put everything under his feet.” Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ.

    ar above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every title that can be given, not only in the present age but also in the one to come.

    and you have been given fullness in Christ, who is the head over every power and authority.

    but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe.

    Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.

    He changes times and seasons; he sets up kings and deposes them. He gives wisdom to the wise and knowledge to the discerning.

    “‘The decision is announced by messengers, the holy ones declare the verdict, so that the living may know that the Most High is sovereign over the kingdoms of men and gives them to anyone he wishes and sets over them the lowliest of men.’

    Jesus answered, “You would have no power over me if it were not given to you from above. Therefore the one who handed me over to you is guilty of a greater sin.”

    Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves

    Remind the people to be subject to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready to do whatever is good,

    Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every authority instituted among men: whether to the king, as the supreme authority”

    Here’s the point: Jesus is the supreme authority (according the Scripture). God lets all this stuff happen for some reason (according to Scripture).

    In the past, in other ‘governments’ etc. the power to make laws and to decide what was right and wrong etc was made by kings and rulers and according to Scripture those folks, good or bad, were allowed to do what they did by God and folks were to obey them.

    In our Context, in our day and age, in our “governing authority”…”WE” the people are the king, “we the people are the ‘ruler'” that is instituted by God.

    As a co-ruler, I say the solution to curb these sorts of violent acts is to deter it through accountability and rule of law…and since cops can’t be everywhere at all times…let law abiding citizens have the right to conceal carry. This will deter and mitigate these bad things from happening.

    Instead of advertising a “Gun Free Zone” (which is what the Batman shooter/killer specifically sought out)…advertise that “Some of our teachers/personnel/folks are packing guns”.

    Wake up folks. Use your God-given intelligence. This one isn’t that difficult.

  36. Josh Hamrick says:

    Wild West Justice.

    Yeah, sounds great. Let the fastest draw survive.

  37. Alex says:

    It’s getting harder for me to accept a “2 Kingdoms” position or “Kingdom Come” the more appeals are made to Scripture. Either that or it is another example of the contradictory and paradoxical nature of the bible.

    It could very well be that the “2 Kingdoms” position is a false dichotomy and that Dominionism or “Kingdom Now” theology is a false choice as well.

    It very well could be that we don’t really understand what Scripture intended and that both positions are incorrect…or rather that both positions are partially correct.

    I’m leaning more toward: Both positions are incorrect or partially correct…even though it seems on the surface that one or the other must be true and the other false.

    I think it could very well be a both in the sense that God decides and God chooses how the pieces move (or influences the pieces) and that man has some responsibility in influencing government and making it more “just” etc…while in many other places God gives them over to evil and the peoples there suffer the results (see Hitler, Stalin, Hussein etc etc).

    I think both positions have some truth to them and we simply don’t understand how they can both be true in a sense b/c we are stupid and we lack wisdom.

    Choosing one positon or the other forces folks (like Michael and others) into quite a conundrum on issues like the Sandy Hook tragedy as illustrated by the “Things…” and the subsequent discussions.

  38. Babylon's Dread says:

    I think I agree that there should be highly vetted conceal carry people on every campus. Unknown to all known to the administration these watchmen within the walls would be ready at all times. But they should have more than firearms classes. They should have mental health checks, obviously legal checks, and should be subject to drug screening. Nut jobs do get hired as teachers and school administrators.

    It should not be a volunteer thing hidden from all… the schools should remain gun free zones with exceptions. And you can’t do this unless you are prepared for someone to make a mistake. It is human and inevitable.

    Stand a Watch Dread

  39. Alex says:

    Josh said, “Wild West Justice.

    Yeah, sounds great. Let the fastest draw survive.”

    According to the History Channel and many other sources, the Wyatt Earp “wild west” had far fewer deaths as a result of firearms than the “gun controlled” East of its day.

    Also, source after source after source confirms that violent crime etc during the ‘Wild West’ days was extremely low as compared to today. You saw far fewer assaults, rapes, armed robberies, murders, etc per capita as compared to today.

    I seek to remove emotion and knee-jerk reaction and look to data, statistics, cause/effect, correlation etc.

    The facts seem to support a thesis of “more guns, less crime” in an American Context where law abiding citizens can legally own guns, while continuing to enforce laws to take guns away from felons, domestic violence offenders and the mentally defective and illegal drug users.

  40. Alex, you don’t have clue one when you speak about the 2 kingdoms – and you know even less when you say that they are contradictory.

  41. I think most gun nuts get their lead from the profiteers – the gun dealers.

    Look, most gun nuts seem to be strict constitutionalists who believe in original intent. So, what did the writers intend??… that people were to keep a single shot rifle in their homes.

    People can say “guns don’t kill – people kill” but that is baloney – guns today allow a person to kill 100 people at a time if they want – the rock and knife, you do one at a time.

    What is the argument against my right to bear arms if I were to choose grenades? Someone breaks in my house I throw a grenade at them? Anyone have a problem with my conceal and carry for my grenades?

    Guns, gun dealers – just follow the money.

  42. Alex says:

    I have reviewed what some call “2 Kingdoms” …maybe not “your” 2 Kingdoms. Enlighten me, what is your position?

    How do you view your “2 Kingdom” philosophy you’ve espoused on here juxtaposed to Kingdom Now type philosophy of the Dominionists?

    you seem to assert that the philosophy you’ve espoused as a 2 Kingdom position is monolithic and etched in stone and the only position that claims such…or you seem to assert that I’ve misunderstood your philosophy on 2 Kingdoms…which is it?

  43. Alex says:

    MLD, the “Law of Gospel” and the Book of Concord are not all there is out there…you do realize that…don’t you?

  44. Em says:

    IMHO – disarming the population is, i’m convinced this morning, a dangerous thing to do – that said, weapons that fire a continual spray of bullets available to JohnQ makes no sense at all – handguns, shotguns and semi-automatic rifles one can make a case for … but there is no way to arm the public to protect themselves from the government which has some very big ordnance, not mention other ‘stuff’…
    a neighbor who’s property adjoins our piece of country property turns the weekends into shock and awe as he and his yahoo* friends shoot their large variety (from the sound of it) of weaponry for hours on end … what are they doing? what do they think they’re doing? that is not the way our citizenry should be armed, is it?

    *(i prefer yahoo to hillbilly … “yahoo” = noun informal – a rude, noisy, or violent person.
    ORIGIN mid 18th cent.: from the name of an imaginary race of brutish creatures in Swift’s Gulliver’s Travels (1726) ))

  45. Josh Hamrick says:

    I should be able to own a nuclear device.

  46. Alex says:

    Maybe we should have a theocracy and invoke the Doctrine of Two Swords.

    Make me Pope…and then make me King and I’ll give the orders and administer the sword. I promise to be just 🙂

  47. Alex says:

    Em said, “but there is no way to arm the public to protect themselves from the government which has some very big ordnance, not mention other ‘stuff’…”

    Yet we can’t defeat a bunch of rag-tag Afghanis or Iraqi Insurgents….or Viet Cong.

  48. Em says:

    i had a strange realization yesterday … spent the day on and off puzzling about what makes one of these people do such horrible things? where does their mind live? … then it hit me last night as i was dozing off that the pivotal character i’d developed in a piece of fiction i’d written was one of ‘them’ … and this fictional guy had just morphed as the story progressed, so i still don’t know … 😯

    of course, ultimately, all human nature is sin riddled and the core is a spiritual problem, but that is not where we look to to understand what makes a man (woman?) into one of these anomalies of humanity and that’s where the focus should be now – gun control is a side issue IMHHO

  49. People should be allowed to have a hand gun to protect themselves and a hunting rifle if you are a hunter – but if you are arming yourself against your own government – perhaps its time to move to a country where you feel more safe from your government.

    I would like to hear someone make a case that I shouldn’t be allowed to arm myself “against my government” by owning my own fully armed B-52.

  50. Alex – what is “Law of Gospel”??

  51. Trust me Alex, we could have defeated the Iraqis. The public or the military would not have had the will to do what that would have required though. We don’t act like the Nazis or Romans and wage full on war anymore. But, I am sure that could change.
    @ Josh #47. I have no need for a nuke, but I do miss my M1A1. Pulling the trigger on it was “literally” a blast.

  52. Alex says:

    Josh said, “I should be able to own a nuclear device.”

    Reductio Ad Absurdum attempt. It is actually a Logical Fallacy called Strawman.

    Doesn’t hold water.

    Here’s why:

    The Constitution protects what is called a “human right to defense” that is guaranteed in the “bill of rights”

    The law is clear in defining self preservation as a constitutionally protected “right” and the use of a nuclear weapon by an individual is not protected as a nuclear weapon is a weapon of mass destruction and not akin to a single user weapon to stop a threat, even in a tyrannical government context.

    The 2nd Amendment which is a part of the Bill of Rights, specifically defines “right to bear arms” which “bear” is a qualifier and specific to arms that can be “carried” as bear means “carry”. You cannot “carry” a nuclear warhead or delivery system. You can carry a dirty bomb, but that has been defined as an indiscriminate non-self-defense device whose sole purpose is mass death vs. specific threat stopping.

    An argument can be made that an automatic weapon is such a device similar to a dirty bomb, however, there are too many examples where automatic weapons serve a self-defense purpose, similar to a knife…and knives are used for defense, but also to kill a large group of people as murder/terror (see recent examples in China).

  53. Em says:

    Alex, the question is … how much the government is willing to destroy, the operative word is ‘destroy,’ not ‘defeat’ … could our government mount a militia that could destroy us? dunno – i think they could

    but as i said i think the focus on guns misses the big threat which is the why of such carnage? what goes into the mix that results in a person who plans to randomly kill innocents?

  54. Josh Hamrick says:

    Here is where my argument does hold up : Your guns won’t protect you against a drone strike.

  55. Of topic here, but I just read this:
    This makes you wonder if the media’s darling right now is really the one with the mental health problems and not her son.

  56. Alex says:

    MLD, I guess “Law of Gospel” was a Freudian slip, LOL.

    Meant “Law and Gospel” of Lutheranism

  57. Shaun Sells says:

    Em, just a small correction – automatic weapons have been strictly regulated since 1934. What the murder at Sandy Hook used was semiautomatic which means he had to pull the trigger every time he shot.

    Just some history, America had an assault weapons ban from 1994-2004 banning some semiautomatic assault rifles, and almost all experts agree it did little to curb violence. Mainly because it only regulated new weapons and criminals as it turns out did not follow those laws. People forget that the murderer in CT did not own the guns he used, he stole them, so no legislation would have prevented this. It is also illegal to bring guns to school, and that law was ignored. Bad people do bad things and they don’t care what the law is.

    Gun legislation could work if you are willing to wait 100 years, the approximate amount of time it would take for all the existing weapons to be rendered useless. Some have suggested the government buy those guns from citizens or even confiscate them, but I don’t think the government can afford to buy them all and I know that confiscation would not be well received. Even if all the guns were taken and we in America stopped manufacturing them, someone in the world would and criminals will continue to ignore the laws of the land and purchase them illegally.

    There are no easy answers unfortunately.

  58. If some of the american people rose up, I guarantee the outcry from the rest would be so loud and calling for “security” that the government would go all out to put it down. Yeah, you can defend against tanks and other weapons, but when the govt. decided to make an example of a town using a MOAB bomb, because they are afraid of losing power. There is no defense against that. My point being, if they wanted to they could win a war against the people. I am all for the 2nd amendment, but I have been in the military and I know what they could really do. Even having an automatic weapon would be futile in the long run.

  59. “Meant “Law and Gospel” of Lutheranism”

    It is actually “The Proper Distinction Between Law & Gospel.” and it is a Paul thing (rightly dividing the word) -. Evangelicals dumped it and now can’t get anything right – like the 2 kingdoms. 😉

  60. Em says:

    Shaun, point taken … and i am not knowledgeable about guns n such, but i think i said semi-automatic as i do understand that the trigger has to be pulled with each shot – as opposed to spraying the room with the finger holding the trigger … i think the semi-automatic capability might be acceptable – i wouldn’t want to have to reload when trying to hit an attacker in my home … course, i probably am not going to ever use the little weapon that sits on top of a cabinet in my home under any circumstances … it’s there by default as i gave all my late husband’s good guns away

  61. Josh Hamrick says:

    #60 is right on.

    I also don’t think its proper at this time to debate gun control.

  62. Alex says:

    #60 is not right on. The liberals enforce ridiculous rules of engagement and if they used those same rules against fellow Americans they’d never win…so they’d be forced into being “war criminals” to deal with their own citizens when they extend such ridiculous terms to our real enemies.

    Josh said, “I also don’t think its proper at this time to debate gun control.”

    I don’t think it’s proper to try and manipulate people into what is “proper” and not “proper” through peer pressure, but what is “not proper” is entirely subjective and everyone has a view of proper “proper”ness and seeks to guilt others into conformity to their view of what is and isn’t proper.

    Do you have a proper understanding of my position on the issue of “proper”?

    I could’ve simply said, “bite me” as Michael has many times…but I chose a more polite route 🙂

  63. Josh,
    Unfortunately, it is the time now. I didn’t want to hear this stuff for days, ’cause it was all too fresh and the wounds too deep. Now, everyone one is talking about it: Senators, Representatives, news media, and regular people. It is there and needs to be addressed, the only good thing is that Congress works so slow that maybe they will have time to think the issues through and not just react.
    I don’t believe that any guns should be banned. I think the problem is more of a mental health issue. I think a better armed and arms educated populace would be the solution. The large majority of the populace would benefit by being better acquainted with firearms. It makes you better understand and respect them more and provides a deterrent for law abiding citizens. I grew up in a culture that teaches respect for firearms and it is a good thing. I have had to teach people who haven’t grown up in that culture and it would have been easier if they had learned it earlier.
    I believe the whole defense against tyranny thing though is hopelessly made out of date by advances in weapons tech since the American Revolution. But, defense of your family is still a standing argument for guns.

    BTW, automatic weapons are over hyped. Never took mine off semi-auto in any deployment. Well aimed shots are much better and less wasteful of ammo.

  64. Alex says:

    Derek said, “BTW, automatic weapons are over hyped. Never took mine off semi-auto in any deployment. Well aimed shots are much better and less wasteful of ammo.”

    Agreed. My best friend (career Marine) has had several close calls. One instance a jihadist popped out of a hole less than 100 feet from him. The militant emptied a full auto AK 30 round mag firing at him wildly.

    My friend drew his Marine M9 and shot the beat several times, the kill shot in the throat.

    Pray and spray? I prefer take good aim and fire.

  65. Correction: When it wasn’t on safe, it was always on semi-auto.

  66. Josh Hamrick says:

    Derek, thanks for your thoughtful response.

    Alex, is there a reason you have to act that way? I stopped interacting with you for several months because it always infuriated me. A few days ago, I gave it another shot. Why do you have to react so violently to anything outside your box?

  67. Alex says:

    Josh, that is “bearing false witness” I did not react “violently” toward you…i used a bit of back-handed humor and sarcasm in responding to you…and illustrated how our blog host had used much more “violent” language/style, but that was lost.

    There is a different set of rules for me on here and I am put in a tight rhetorical box of the “proper” way to respond and reply etc, while others have free license to use what ever rhetorical means they wish.

    We’re human, it’s how we roll, i just pointed it out (again).

  68. Josh Hamrick says:

    All good buddy, I’ll go back to ignoring you.

  69. Josh Hamrick says:

    Derek, I thought your 65 deserved some sort of response:
    “I don’t believe that any guns should be banned. I think the problem is more of a mental health issue. I think a better armed and arms educated populace would be the solution. ”

    Do you realize that this is basically saying we should kill the mentally ill? I am sure that is not what you think, but that is why using mental illness as a scapegoat is just as bad as using guns as a scapegoat.

  70. Em says:

    hmmm, was the twisted soul in Connecticut mentally ill – mind? … or just a bad person – heart? … couldn’t it be either one? or systemic – brain damage? dunno and maybe we need to sort that one out … or not …

  71. No, I didn’t realize that.
    I believe that mass killers should be killed when they start these atrocities, the sooner the better means less deaths. I believe that a better armed and trained populace could be part of the solution. Look at what happened in Texas at the movie theater last night, off duty cop armed ends a bad thing quickly. The Clackemas Mall shooting ended just by an armed civilian pointing a gun at him.
    I never meant that we should kill mentally ill people before they do anything. But, once you start on a killing spree, you are fair game to be killed then because you are a threat to society. I do think that God puts things like an armed populace in place for common grace purposes, just like govts. are there for that.
    I actually think it is a case of mental illness combined with demonic activity. Prayer is the best solution, but I don’t know how God will answer a prayer. It may be through having the right person there at the right time armed to take care of things. It may be that He will allow it to happen like last week. I wish I did know, but I don’t.

  72. Josh Hamrick says:

    Hey Derek, take a look at erunner’s addition to Loose Ends. He says it better than I did. Thanks for your thoughts.

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